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My daughter entered the Crimea through the Kherson region using a biometric passport. She flew from Simferopol to Shanghai via Moscow. Returns from Shanghai via Moscow and Riga to Odessa
My daughter entered the Crimea through the Kherson region using a biometric passport. She flew from Simferopol to Shanghai via Moscow. Returns from Shanghai via Moscow and Riga to Odessa
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up to the light bulb 2 passports.
An ordinary passport is no longer issued only a biometric one. and have at least 10 of them anyway, all border crossings are visible. And before that, everything was in the database.
An ordinary passport is no longer issued only a biometric one. and have at least 10 of them anyway, all border crossings are visible. And before that, everything was in the database.
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answered 5 years ago
Yeah, but each country has its own bases. Why would Russia and China send information to Ukraine about the movements of its citizens?
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answered 5 years ago
I understand that it is necessary to type in the number of messages, regardless of the quality, but why portray dementia so unconvincingly?
Only the Ukrainian database of the border service is enough - a citizen of Ukraine left for Crimea, did not cross the border of Ukraine, but returns from Riga. There is a crossing of the state border outside the official checkpoints.
Only the Ukrainian database of the border service is enough - a citizen of Ukraine left for Crimea, did not cross the border of Ukraine, but returns from Riga. There is a crossing of the state border outside the official checkpoints.
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answered 5 years ago
Wi-fi, and which one of us is pretending to be dementia? I wrote in Russian - for the future. Through the Crimea, of course, you are our home-grown professor.
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answered 5 years ago
Why is there some kind of base of another state, in any case, she will have a stamp in her passport about crossing the border when leaving Russia for China, she will have a stamp that she entered China and left, and the border guards will not have information that this girl left the territory with this passport Ukraine. When it will enter Ukraine back, it doesn’t matter through which airport, port or crossing (with the exception of that crossing to the border with Crimea), the question will immediately arise how they left the territory of Ukraine. Let him immediately confess his "sins" and silently pay the fine.
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answered 5 years ago
I’ll write once and I won’t write again - Crimea is the territory of Ukraine annexed by Russia, border crossing is regulated by a special law, the entry of Ukrainian citizens into Crimea is not considered crossing the border of Ukraine. Everything !
Now about "databases". On August 1, he crossed the border with Poland in a car with a pristine biometric passport. Our customs officer dug into the computer for a long time, looking at the vehicle's registration certificate - she found an error in the record of 2012 when crossing the Moldovan border. Five minutes later, the Polish border guard, looking at his passport, asked: "Pan first time in Poland?" No, I say, I visited you, and he crossed the border in Shegini in 2006. I spread my hands, he smiled and wished me a good rest.
Now about "databases". On August 1, he crossed the border with Poland in a car with a pristine biometric passport. Our customs officer dug into the computer for a long time, looking at the vehicle's registration certificate - she found an error in the record of 2012 when crossing the Moldovan border. Five minutes later, the Polish border guard, looking at his passport, asked: "Pan first time in Poland?" No, I say, I visited you, and he crossed the border in Shegini in 2006. I spread my hands, he smiled and wished me a good rest.
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answered 5 years ago
If there were 2 passports, then on the first one it would be possible to leave for Crimea, then on the second one to fly from Russia to China, and then return back to Crimea and enter on the first passport as if the person had spent all this time in Crimea and nowhere did not leave.
But, I don’t have 100% confidence that such a scam will work.
But, I don’t have 100% confidence that such a scam will work.
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answered 5 years ago
Deliberately going to violate the UCU .... as for me - it's very stupid. It is much easier to cross the border legally, especially since there are opportunities for this.
I am not a lawyer and do not know exactly the whole procedure, how fines are issued. But I can say for sure that a case is being initiated on the fact of illegal border crossing. The question is what kind of case - administrative or criminal. If admindelo - then it's generally okay. I paid the fine and everything. If it's criminal, it's fun. The person will immediately have a stamp - he was under a criminal case, which will go through all the bases. It will take a long time to wash.
I am not a lawyer and do not know exactly the whole procedure, how fines are issued. But I can say for sure that a case is being initiated on the fact of illegal border crossing. The question is what kind of case - administrative or criminal. If admindelo - then it's generally okay. I paid the fine and everything. If it's criminal, it's fun. The person will immediately have a stamp - he was under a criminal case, which will go through all the bases. It will take a long time to wash.
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answered 5 years ago
camomille here it all depends on the border guard how he qualifies a deliberate violation and without intent by mistake a violation of the border, then it also depends on whether this girl has previously violated the border, etc. But in this case, it is unlikely that it will roll by mistake without intent.
If the girl has already violated the same before, then they can arrest
If the girl has already violated the same before, then they can arrest
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answered 5 years ago
Vika284, it seems to me there is a slightly different procedure. Theoretically, they should open a case on the fact of illegal border crossing. And then only to qualify the actions - whether there is intent or not, and based on this already unwind and impose punishment. So I don’t know what kind of case they open - admin or criminal.
In a criminal case, there may also be a penalty in the form of a fine, not only in an administrative case.
But I won’t argue, because I work in a related field and I don’t know all the subtleties.
In a criminal case, there may also be a penalty in the form of a fine, not only in an administrative case.
But I won’t argue, because I work in a related field and I don’t know all the subtleties.
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answered 5 years ago
camomille you are absolutely right, the girl approaches the border guard and he sees the violation, she immediately calls the shift supervisor (on duty) and the border guard officer comes and she is taken to a special room for detainees, if she has never violated anything and behaves adequately, then they will check her at their various bases , draw up a protocol and write out a fine and send it to court, this of course is a minimum of 2-3 hours
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answered 5 years ago
Vika284, and if a man approaches the border guard, then he is also taken to a special room, or on the spot? Border guards should deal with men, so it will be right, in our opinion!
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answered 5 years ago
camomille "the first one could go to the Crimea, then the second one could fly from Russia to China"
Yes, you can enter Crimea with a regular (internal passport of the Gr. of Ukraine). And on what basis should this Ukrainian citizen be released to China by Russian border guards if he, in his passport, does not have a mark on entry to Crimea? The journey must be tracked in the Passport (he will fly to China on it). I entered (using a passport) and flew to China (using a passport) - this is understandable. And he entered the Crimea, as if on his territory (internal), and left, as from another state (according to a foreign passport) - this is not logical. This journey from beginning to end must be carried out on one passport (foreign passport). And this is a violation of Ukrainian legislation (in the case of Crimea).
Correct me if I'm wrong..
Yes, you can enter Crimea with a regular (internal passport of the Gr. of Ukraine). And on what basis should this Ukrainian citizen be released to China by Russian border guards if he, in his passport, does not have a mark on entry to Crimea? The journey must be tracked in the Passport (he will fly to China on it). I entered (using a passport) and flew to China (using a passport) - this is understandable. And he entered the Crimea, as if on his territory (internal), and left, as from another state (according to a foreign passport) - this is not logical. This journey from beginning to end must be carried out on one passport (foreign passport). And this is a violation of Ukrainian legislation (in the case of Crimea).
Correct me if I'm wrong..
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answered 5 years ago
lazy_person, theoretically you are right. but I read more than once how one of the Crimeans discussed departures from Moscow, where they were going to use our passports to fly to Schengen.
I'm not saying anything, correct me if I'm wrong
Vika284, what kind of case is being initiated? admin or criminal
I'm not saying anything, correct me if I'm wrong
Vika284, what kind of case is being initiated? admin or criminal
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answered 5 years ago
"on what basis should this Ukrainian citizen be released to China by Russian border guards, if he, in his passport, does not have a mark on entry to Crimea?"
The second passport with a Russian entry stamp is easy enough to show to the border guard. There have already been similar questions on TurPravda. In Russia, there is no requirement to enter and exit using the same document.
The second passport with a Russian entry stamp is easy enough to show to the border guard. There have already been similar questions on TurPravda. In Russia, there is no requirement to enter and exit using the same document.
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answered 5 years ago
China if you have a visa and Latvia if you have a biometric passport - never mind if you cross the border with Crimea there will be a stamp there or not. They will let you into China on the basis of a visa
The problem is when this girl will enter Ukraine back
The problem is when this girl will enter Ukraine back
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answered 5 years ago
Igor_m men are different, there is a small% of those who prefer the border guard)))
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answered 5 years ago
The second passport with a Russian entry stamp is not a foreign passport - it is an internal passport, not a document for foreign travel (for operations within Ukraine). When crossing the Chinese border (using a passport), a tourist may have problems at the Chinese border. The Chinese border guard will not have a clear picture of how Gr. Ukraine, which does not have a mark on the passage of border control with the Russian Federation. For a Chinese internal passport Gr. Ukraine does not say anything, the document is the Passport .. Only from this point of view, the border service of the Russian Federation should not release such a tourist (he does not have a travel history in his passport) ...
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answered 5 years ago
Vika284 You are talking about a visa. This is true. Judging by the question in the post, we are talking about a citizen of Ukraine, to whom a visa will be put in his passport (Ukrainian). Moreover, all movements of a citizen who is sent to China, with a Chinese visa allowing entry to China, must be noted in the Passport. Apparently, this is why the daughter of our author entered the Crimea on a foreign passport.
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answered 5 years ago
lazy_person, a little too smart. In practice, people drive like this, the scheme is as follows:
1. Checkpoint in Crimea - presents passport No. 1 (internal or foreign, whatever it is), receives a Russian entry stamp in it (or does not receive it if the passport is internal).
2. Checkpoint at the Moscow airport - presents passport No. 2 (foreign with a Chinese visa), receives an exit Russian stamp in it. Passport No. 1 simply shows, since a migration card has been issued for it.
3. A checkpoint in Beijing, or wherever a person goes to China - passport No. 2, the Chinese put stamps on entry and exit into it.
4. Checkpoint at the Moscow airport - passport No. 2 for the entry stamp of the Russian Federation.
5. Checkpoint in Crimea - passport number 1
1. Checkpoint in Crimea - presents passport No. 1 (internal or foreign, whatever it is), receives a Russian entry stamp in it (or does not receive it if the passport is internal).
2. Checkpoint at the Moscow airport - presents passport No. 2 (foreign with a Chinese visa), receives an exit Russian stamp in it. Passport No. 1 simply shows, since a migration card has been issued for it.
3. A checkpoint in Beijing, or wherever a person goes to China - passport No. 2, the Chinese put stamps on entry and exit into it.
4. Checkpoint at the Moscow airport - passport No. 2 for the entry stamp of the Russian Federation.
5. Checkpoint in Crimea - passport number 1
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answered 5 years ago
lazy_person visa to China must be done in advance. The girl could easily get a visa to China at the Chinese Embassy in Kyiv, go to the Crimea. For the Russian border guards, everything is OK, she officially entered the territory of Russia and left the territory of Russia through Moscow, what difference does it make to the Chinese from which country the girl will enter China, the main thing is a visa.
For our border guards, the girl did not leave the territory of Ukraine, not with passport No. 1 and not with passport No. 2. If she enters Ukraine through any country, through any airport, port, checkpoint, she will be immediately stopped.
If she returns through the same checkpoint from Crimea, then there is a minimal chance that she can avoid problems.
For our border guards, the girl did not leave the territory of Ukraine, not with passport No. 1 and not with passport No. 2. If she enters Ukraine through any country, through any airport, port, checkpoint, she will be immediately stopped.
If she returns through the same checkpoint from Crimea, then there is a minimal chance that she can avoid problems.
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answered 5 years ago
and there is still a chance to aggravate the situation, since there will be not a single illegal crossing of the state border, but multiple
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answered 5 years ago
ollennka
Well, maybe such a scheme will work (your answer, two passports). But this scheme has already been violated from the very beginning. Entry into the Crimea was carried out on a biometric passport. On the same passport, the journey will continue further (Simferopol - Moscow to China). So this is an illegal action from the point of view of Ukrainian legislation. You can cross the border of Ukraine only after passing the procedure of passport control of the border. services of Ukraine. There will be questions upon return. Well, if only fine.
Well, maybe such a scheme will work (your answer, two passports). But this scheme has already been violated from the very beginning. Entry into the Crimea was carried out on a biometric passport. On the same passport, the journey will continue further (Simferopol - Moscow to China). So this is an illegal action from the point of view of Ukrainian legislation. You can cross the border of Ukraine only after passing the procedure of passport control of the border. services of Ukraine. There will be questions upon return. Well, if only fine.
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answered 5 years ago
"The journey will continue on the same passport"
You seem to be able to have two international passports, isn't it?
You seem to be able to have two international passports, isn't it?
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answered 5 years ago
ollennka the only discrepancy (scheme two passports), in my opinion with point 2 - "2. Checkpoint at the Moscow airport - presents passport No. 2 (foreign with a Chinese visa), receives an exit Russian stamp in it. Passport No. 1 simply shows, since he has a migration card.
For the Russian side, such a stamp in passport No. 2, logically, should have been put at the initial border crossing where it entered (in Crimea, and not in Moscow).
For the Russian side, such a stamp in passport No. 2, logically, should have been put at the initial border crossing where it entered (in Crimea, and not in Moscow).
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