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Will a 14-year-old child be put on a British Airlines flight unaccompanied, but with notarized permission from both parents to fly solo?
Will a 14-year-old child be put on a British Airlines flight unaccompanied, but with notarized permission from both parents to fly solo?
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Is it difficult to find out in the airline itself?
I know 100% that from the age of 15 a special escort is not required. It also depends on whether there are connections. More precisely than an air carrier, no one will tell you
I know 100% that from the age of 15 a special escort is not required. It also depends on whether there are connections. More precisely than an air carrier, no one will tell you
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answered 6 years ago
Their website says they can.
But the form seems to be the same.
Google = unaccompanied minor service British Airways
But the form seems to be the same.
Google = unaccompanied minor service British Airways
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answered 6 years ago
Fears are caused by border guards, specifically passport control. Will they let me?
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answered 6 years ago
Probably call the hotline.
Passport control information is available by phone. "hot line":
+380 44 5276363
because :
The legislation of Ukraine, in particular, paragraph 3 of Art. 313 of the Civil Code, provides for the right of a child who has reached sixteen years of age to free independent travel outside the country. However, regardless of the purpose of the trip (treatment abroad, health improvement, tourist excursion, trip to relatives, etc.), children under 16 years of age have the right to travel abroad only with the consent of their parents and accompanied by them or accompanied by persons authorized them
Passport control information is available by phone. "hot line":
+380 44 5276363
because :
The legislation of Ukraine, in particular, paragraph 3 of Art. 313 of the Civil Code, provides for the right of a child who has reached sixteen years of age to free independent travel outside the country. However, regardless of the purpose of the trip (treatment abroad, health improvement, tourist excursion, trip to relatives, etc.), children under 16 years of age have the right to travel abroad only with the consent of their parents and accompanied by them or accompanied by persons authorized them
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answered 6 years ago
what about the border guards? The main thing for them is that the docks are in order.
But can children fly without a special accompanying person (a paid service from the airline) it all depends on the airline itself, it is they who are responsible for their passengers, not the border guards.
But can children fly without a special accompanying person (a paid service from the airline) it all depends on the airline itself, it is they who are responsible for their passengers, not the border guards.
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answered 6 years ago
The power of attorney must include the person who accompanies the child. You cannot make a power of attorney for "self-travel". Call the airline, say that you want to order this service from them and they will tell you which contacts to enter in the power of attorney.
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answered 6 years ago
The airline allows the flight of unaccompanied children from the age of 14 with the completion of the relevant documents. But I'm afraid that there will be problems at passport control.
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answered 6 years ago
if you are afraid, then helena_fortuna left you a hotline number, call for clarification.
Children of acquaintances fly to study, everything is fine, I was not interested in a package of documents ....
There would be a desire, you can find out anything, flights of teenagers are not new for a long time.
Children of acquaintances fly to study, everything is fine, I was not interested in a package of documents ....
There would be a desire, you can find out anything, flights of teenagers are not new for a long time.
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answered 6 years ago
I systematize.
These are two separate procedures with separate rules: border crossing and the flight process itself.
On the flight of children, they wrote here - according to the rules of the airline.
On crossing the border - according to the rules written by helena_fortuna with one significant addition - a power of attorney is needed when both parents are not at the crossing point. What is needed is not a piece of paper, but the fact of confirmation of permission and any adult who agrees to take responsibility. Usually negotiate with flight attendants for a fee. But even border guards do not know this process well.
These are two separate procedures with separate rules: border crossing and the flight process itself.
On the flight of children, they wrote here - according to the rules of the airline.
On crossing the border - according to the rules written by helena_fortuna with one significant addition - a power of attorney is needed when both parents are not at the crossing point. What is needed is not a piece of paper, but the fact of confirmation of permission and any adult who agrees to take responsibility. Usually negotiate with flight attendants for a fee. But even border guards do not know this process well.
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answered 6 years ago
What does "border guards don't know this process well" mean?
The border guard needs to physically see the child with the accompanying person, and the power of attorney where the passport details of this accompanying person are indicated. Everything. Released without question.
The border guard needs to physically see the child with the accompanying person, and the power of attorney where the passport details of this accompanying person are indicated. Everything. Released without question.
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answered 6 years ago
That is, the accompanying person simply has to be at the airport?
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answered 6 years ago
Eugenedidus, did you call the hotline?
Or do you have the advice of strangers more authoritative than the competent authorities?
If my child flew somewhere for the first time alone, I would personally come to the airport and personally find out everything, either by phone as a last resort, or, as a last resort, I would contact the foreign education agency and find out everything from them
Or do you have the advice of strangers more authoritative than the competent authorities?
If my child flew somewhere for the first time alone, I would personally come to the airport and personally find out everything, either by phone as a last resort, or, as a last resort, I would contact the foreign education agency and find out everything from them
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answered 6 years ago
kolyan_cat, have you come across the fact that the consumer of the service knows the rules better (or should know better) than the one who provides it?
For example, on this site, "consumers" of travel services regularly "tell me categorically" about the rules in the tourist business.
But seriously, ordinary guys and girls are sitting in the booths at the border control at the airport, who perform the same procedures many times a day. And any deviation from the standard scheme causes some stupor. Trust my professional experience. Therefore, I always tell everyone: there are problems during the passage - demand to call the head of the guard, these are already experienced guys.
AllOverTheWorld , that's it, we close the site, we don't answer any more questions.
Although according to the new rating you are a sensei. Those. Your answers are highly appreciated by the questioners.
For example, on this site, "consumers" of travel services regularly "tell me categorically" about the rules in the tourist business.
But seriously, ordinary guys and girls are sitting in the booths at the border control at the airport, who perform the same procedures many times a day. And any deviation from the standard scheme causes some stupor. Trust my professional experience. Therefore, I always tell everyone: there are problems during the passage - demand to call the head of the guard, these are already experienced guys.
AllOverTheWorld , that's it, we close the site, we don't answer any more questions.
Although according to the new rating you are a sensei. Those. Your answers are highly appreciated by the questioners.
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answered 6 years ago
HotLine, If you do not agree with my opinion, your right, but it's not smart to think out of nowhere. What's up here
"closing the site"? Have I forbidden you or anyone else to answer or ask questions?
You say they will let you through ... Vasya Pupkin will say they will let you through
And at the airport, the child is wrapped back, but the author will say: "But they wrote to me on the tourist forum"
This question is not about choosing a hotel!
I believe that parents should solve the problems of children!, and not rely on chance and on a tourist forum.
They wrote to the author that they would "put" the child, and advised where to find out. The author still does not want to take the easy way, so you call the hotline and the airport, find out everything instead of the author and share the information.
And, of course, where are we, sensei, up to you, Kings
"closing the site"? Have I forbidden you or anyone else to answer or ask questions?
You say they will let you through ... Vasya Pupkin will say they will let you through
And at the airport, the child is wrapped back, but the author will say: "But they wrote to me on the tourist forum"
This question is not about choosing a hotel!
I believe that parents should solve the problems of children!, and not rely on chance and on a tourist forum.
They wrote to the author that they would "put" the child, and advised where to find out. The author still does not want to take the easy way, so you call the hotline and the airport, find out everything instead of the author and share the information.
And, of course, where are we, sensei, up to you, Kings
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answered 6 years ago
I don't need to be educated. I consulted with everyone with whom it was possible: with border guards, and with the company sending to study, and with parents, and with notaries - they explain everything in different ways
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answered 6 years ago
and everyone responded differently. How is that? if only 2 options are possible: with or without an accompanying person, the 3rd is not given
And no one is teaching you.
And what did the border guards say?
And no one is teaching you.
And what did the border guards say?
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answered 6 years ago
I don't think.
In answering the question, I tried to systematize and give information about a little-known variant. In response to your remark, I tried to gently hint that there are several stages of information management.
First you need to get it, and then verify it. The border service hotline does not advise, but gives responsible answers to specific questions. I repeat - on specific. To ask the right question is 80% to solve this question. This is the responsibility of the respondents - to help the person decide on the information.
And then at the beginning you write - "I would personally come to the airport and personally find out everything," and now "you call the hotline and the airport."
I know the procedures, I can give recommendations, but I am not responsible for them, even though I am the "king".
In answering the question, I tried to systematize and give information about a little-known variant. In response to your remark, I tried to gently hint that there are several stages of information management.
First you need to get it, and then verify it. The border service hotline does not advise, but gives responsible answers to specific questions. I repeat - on specific. To ask the right question is 80% to solve this question. This is the responsibility of the respondents - to help the person decide on the information.
And then at the beginning you write - "I would personally come to the airport and personally find out everything," and now "you call the hotline and the airport."
I know the procedures, I can give recommendations, but I am not responsible for them, even though I am the "king".
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answered 6 years ago
The border guards at first said that they would let them through without any problems; then they called back and said no, only from the age of 16. The company that sends them to study says that more than a dozen children flew and let everyone through, because. filled in special British Airways application form. Some notaries do not give an application for an independent trip, others do. And the airport is in another city (far away), you don’t run into a lot
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answered 6 years ago
And then at the beginning you write - "I would personally come to the airport and personally find out everything", and now "call you to the hotline and to the airport"
HotLine, if it concerned my child, I would go and find out.
Systematized?, Verified? Very helpful.
Eigenedidus, through British Airlines, sign an escort agreement (it used to cost about $150) and you will be 100% sure.
And quite according to the rules:
If the child checks in and receives a boarding pass (naturally, you must be present at check-in), then the border guards with all the necessary documents (invitation to study, passport, get a confirming document from the airlines that they allow teenagers from a certain age to fly unaccompanied, in in general, everything necessary) they do not have the right to prevent him from boarding the flight.
HotLine, if it concerned my child, I would go and find out.
Systematized?, Verified? Very helpful.
Eigenedidus, through British Airlines, sign an escort agreement (it used to cost about $150) and you will be 100% sure.
And quite according to the rules:
If the child checks in and receives a boarding pass (naturally, you must be present at check-in), then the border guards with all the necessary documents (invitation to study, passport, get a confirming document from the airlines that they allow teenagers from a certain age to fly unaccompanied, in in general, everything necessary) they do not have the right to prevent him from boarding the flight.
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answered 6 years ago
I will write for the 3rd time so that they are definitely not afraid
through British Airlines, sign an escort agreement (it used to cost about $150) and you will be 100% sure.
through British Airlines, sign an escort agreement (it used to cost about $150) and you will be 100% sure.
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answered 6 years ago
helena_fortuna has already quoted.
Article 313. The right to freedom of movement
3. ... An individual who has not reached the age of sixteen has the right to leave Ukraine only with the consent of parents (adoptive parents), guardians and accompanied by them or accompanied by persons authorized by them, except as provided by law.
A child under the age of 16 cannot cross the border without this formal consent of both parents if they are citizens of Ukraine. No training invitations or airline rules address these issues.
There is such a procedure when transferring a child to the airline - but there is also a notarized permit or a document signed at the airport by BOTH parents.
Article 313. The right to freedom of movement
3. ... An individual who has not reached the age of sixteen has the right to leave Ukraine only with the consent of parents (adoptive parents), guardians and accompanied by them or accompanied by persons authorized by them, except as provided by law.
A child under the age of 16 cannot cross the border without this formal consent of both parents if they are citizens of Ukraine. No training invitations or airline rules address these issues.
There is such a procedure when transferring a child to the airline - but there is also a notarized permit or a document signed at the airport by BOTH parents.
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answered 6 years ago
Unaccompanied (if allowed by the airline rules) - or the presence of both parents at the pass, or a notarized permit without the instructions of an accompanying adult. But there are difficulties - in fact, not all notaries give such permits, because it is a very rare practice. Although formally the notary actually only confirms the consent.
And a permit at the discretion of border guards. Because the code says - "accompanied by them or accompanied by persons authorized by them ". I don't know what their practice is today.
And a permit at the discretion of border guards. Because the code says - "accompanied by them or accompanied by persons authorized by them ". I don't know what their practice is today.
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answered 6 years ago
Is it a problem to get from Zhytomyr to Kyiv and sign an agreement?
Is it a problem to find a notary who will certify the consent?????
For starters, have you already bought your ticket?
if yes, and the child has documents, a visa, the airline has confirmed that a 14-year-old unaccompanied child is allowed, on the basis of which he will NOT be checked in?,
Yes, thousands of children fly abroad to study, just a curiosity for air carriers and customs officers
HotLine, then you said that you can negotiate with almost any stewardess (I wonder how), now "I don't know what kind of practice they have there."
Is it a problem to find a notary who will certify the consent?????
For starters, have you already bought your ticket?
if yes, and the child has documents, a visa, the airline has confirmed that a 14-year-old unaccompanied child is allowed, on the basis of which he will NOT be checked in?,
Yes, thousands of children fly abroad to study, just a curiosity for air carriers and customs officers
HotLine, then you said that you can negotiate with almost any stewardess (I wonder how), now "I don't know what kind of practice they have there."
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answered 6 years ago
There is no escort from the word "absolutely" on British Airways. There are notarial statements from both parents for independent travel. Q: Will the child pass passport control? What is the meaning of the word "escort" among the border guards? In finding parents at the airport?
Thank you all for your input and advice. There are still more questions than answers. I will go specially to the airport and torture everyone.
Thank you all for your input and advice. There are still more questions than answers. I will go specially to the airport and torture everyone.
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answered 6 years ago
AllOverTheWorld, you are creating havoc in the matter.
"what kind of practice do they have" - I wrote about the border guards, and not about the stewardesses.
1. A child can cross the border with any adult who has a notarized consent and who crosses the border with a child with tickets for one flight. So, for example, children fly with their grandmothers.
2. If there are two parents and an accompanying person at the checkpoint.
- This may be an official of the air carrier. When booking a flight for a child, this condition is indicated and money is paid for this, an appropriate document is drawn up, it is signed by BOTH parents in the presence of a border guard. The document indicates who, where, when, where and to whom the child is transferred. This is how small children are carried.
- It can be any passenger of this flight or crew member in private. Naturally for a fee. The border guards are not authorized to find out the degree of acquaintance or relationship of the accompanying person with the child. Passport (visa), consent and accompanying person.
"what kind of practice do they have" - I wrote about the border guards, and not about the stewardesses.
1. A child can cross the border with any adult who has a notarized consent and who crosses the border with a child with tickets for one flight. So, for example, children fly with their grandmothers.
2. If there are two parents and an accompanying person at the checkpoint.
- This may be an official of the air carrier. When booking a flight for a child, this condition is indicated and money is paid for this, an appropriate document is drawn up, it is signed by BOTH parents in the presence of a border guard. The document indicates who, where, when, where and to whom the child is transferred. This is how small children are carried.
- It can be any passenger of this flight or crew member in private. Naturally for a fee. The border guards are not authorized to find out the degree of acquaintance or relationship of the accompanying person with the child. Passport (visa), consent and accompanying person.
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answered 6 years ago
HotLine, there was no chaos before your systematizations and verifications.
Naturally, only you own the information. And the author took exactly your advice ...
Good luck!
Dear author, do not worry, as I understand it, there is plenty of time !, but the company is a cat. sends you to training, cannot arrange a meeting with your parents, the children of the cat flew on their own, do they know the procedure for sure? Good luck to you!
Naturally, only you own the information. And the author took exactly your advice ...
Good luck!
Dear author, do not worry, as I understand it, there is plenty of time !, but the company is a cat. sends you to training, cannot arrange a meeting with your parents, the children of the cat flew on their own, do they know the procedure for sure? Good luck to you!
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answered 6 years ago
Hotline, I do not know what "deviation from the standard scheme " you say.
No deviations, in your quote "accompanied by them or accompanied by persons authorized by them " everything is very clearly written and must be an accompanying person. Standard power of attorney. And according to the same quote, it is also clear that the child is not allowed to be released without the "accompaniment " of the person specified in the power of attorney.
Therefore, by the way, the power of attorney is called a power of attorney - the principal entrusts some rights of the trustee.
Call at least the chief of change, at least the Minister of Internal Affairs - if it is written "accompanied " - it means only so.
No deviations, in your quote "accompanied by them or accompanied by persons authorized by them " everything is very clearly written and must be an accompanying person. Standard power of attorney. And according to the same quote, it is also clear that the child is not allowed to be released without the "accompaniment " of the person specified in the power of attorney.
Therefore, by the way, the power of attorney is called a power of attorney - the principal entrusts some rights of the trustee.
Call at least the chief of change, at least the Minister of Internal Affairs - if it is written "accompanied " - it means only so.
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