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Is it possible to fly in Russia with debts?
The case is with the bailiffs, the ticket has already been bought! Missed or not??
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аватар sent2008
Go to the official website of the bailiff service, enter your full name, date of birth and look, but it’s better to ask the bailiffs themselves this question, because. they carry out their activities according to local legal acts and ordinary tourists are not familiar with these documents.
аватар Kapriznaya_dama
As far as I know, for domestic flights, there is no passport control like at customs, but just ask the bailiffs for any fireman.
аватар sigur62
In Russia, yes.
аватар ollennka
in Russia, the freedom of movement of citizens by bailiffs is not limited
аватар sent2008
I also know that there is free movement on domestic airlines, but 2-3 years ago, everyone flew out of Sochi’s Adler airport, they were checked at some base after registration and before entering the “clean zone”, I don’t know, maybe some kind of targeted operation passed, maybe Adler airport was in a special position, maybe at that time the first persons in the city were resting ...
аватар HotLine
Can Ukrainians have their five kopecks? We will assume that, as before, it is possible.
This does not apply to domestic flights.
It has become tough for you to fly abroad. Today there was news - I could not believe my eyes. It turned out to be true. Found the source:
http://madi.mos.ru/presscenter/news/detail/1082285.html
The reasons are clear.
аватар sigur62
The reasons are really clear.
Finally, order is being put in place in collecting fines from violators. Confidence in the inevitability of punishment should be absorbed into the brain of everyone, then there will be fewer violations. In Finland, which is territorially and mentally closer to me than other countries, non-payment of a fine for violating parking rules, simply for the lack of parking hours under the windshield - and so, non-payment of such a fine within two weeks doubles the amount of the fine.
You meant it, old man, when you wrote: the reasons are understandable?
аватар sent2008
Tough with a flight abroad ... why should it be otherwise? I paid my taxes and sleep in peace, I paid the fine and also sleep in peace, but gouging should not be encouraged.
The procedure for traveling to the countries of the Schengen Agreement has not changed, Turkey has increased the validity of the passport to 4 months, but cooled down and postponed this issue until the end of 2014.
аватар HotLine
Of course, these reasons are "to put things in order in collecting fines." Can you imagine - 70 thousand malicious non-payers for a stop on one Moscow. This worries me a lot.
Order is needed. The issue is the mechanism. And the mechanism must be efficient and civilized. During the time of Peter 1, for example, they flogged. Effective but uncivilized. In Finland, everyone knows that a fine will be collected without fail, in case of violation of the deadlines, also in a multiple amount. Moscow chose a different mechanism. 70,000 resolutions at once to the court. This is what I focused on. Why is such a mechanism in Moscow recognized as effective and civilized. For me, this question is rhetorical.
Can you imagine - 70 thousand resolutions. According to them, as a measure of preliminary security - a ban on leaving. And then the courts will consider these cases and make decisions for several years. And for 10% of the decisions, it turns out that there were no sufficient grounds - the protocol was drawn up incorrectly, the fine had already been paid a long time ago, there was no violation at all, another person was driving, and so on and so forth.
Inefficient and uncivilized.
аватар ollennka
HotLine, but what prevents you from checking before the trip if there are any unpaid fines from the traffic police?
Recent errors with fines for improper parking are, of course, outrageous, but otherwise the mechanism is civilized.
аватар HotLine
Nothing bothers me, because I have not had any fines for a long time. But you see - there are many such people - 70,000 in Moscow alone. If you think that this is normal - your right. Write a list of what you need to check before departure. Not even before the flight, but before the decision to fly.
And among these 70,000 of your compatriots, there are probably decent, forgetful, sick, ignorant people. And they have already been banned from leaving.
I consider this an inefficient and uncivilized mechanism.
Recently I dealt with tariffs and payments for electricity at my dacha. Oblenergo employees have such a position that for me the most important thing in life should be taking a meter reading from the 3rd to the 5th of each month at the dacha, which I visit once a week. Stupidity? Certainly. What is the fate of stupidity? They die, creating temporary difficulties for both sides. And we know where these nonsense come from.
An inefficient and uncivilized mechanism for solving the third problems. To put it mildly.
аватар sigur62
It's nice, old man, that you are concerned about the problems of Muscovites. I don't care about them anyway :)
So everything will be fine with us. And you.
By the way. Timely transmission of meter readings is not stupidity, but a necessity. My subordinates turn off more than a dozen of these forgetful people every day. After turning off, they no longer consider stupidity what they considered before. And what pleases, there are less and less outages every day.
аватар sent2008
70,000 ordinances for a city with a population (officially registered) of about 14,000,000 people, i.e. in relation to every 200, a decision was made, in my opinion, normal numbers. And in court, such issues are considered quickly, I don’t remember the exact time frame, it seems 30 days, but definitely not several years, as HotLine points out. In addition, there is a significant nuance - last year, in July-August, an amendment was made to the law that the amount of debt for people not allowed to travel abroad should exceed 10,000 rubles, i.e. debt in the amount of 9,999 is not a basis for refusal to leave.
Now a lyrical digression: if you saw how traffic rules are violated on the streets of Moscow, you would have a strong desire not only to hold the unfortunate driver accountable, but also to tear off everything you can with your own hands.
аватар ollennka
I am interested in my fines at the traffic police on a regular basis, and not before a vacation, it seems normal to me to pay my fines for improper parking on time (it’s a sin, it happened once), bills for the Internet, water, gas. Before making a decision on departure, you need to check the validity of your passport, the availability of money in your wallet and bank accounts, and insurance.
аватар sent2008
sigur62, You are not all Muscovites alike, we are friends after all))).
аватар sigur62
I agree.
Tourists are an exception.
And even more so - turpravdinki)))
аватар HotLine
Forgive me for interfering with your unanimity.
sigur62, I hinted - "nonsense die, creating temporary difficulties for both sides." They tried to turn off the electricity to me at the dacha only once for the above reasons. They don't do it anymore. It is unpleasant for a rural electrician to be in a stupid position. He comes to turn off, and I have less on the counter than paid in the previous month. And this OK need to come, get on my private territory. Together with me, take meter readings (and I'm in the country only on weekends). Explain that this is not his initiative, but their system is such a moronic one. And the shutdown procedure is clearly spelled out - non-payment for some periods, coordination of the moment of access to the meter. Written warning with notice of disconnection. Cannot be turned off before weekends and holidays. And I always overpay. I responsibly fulfill my only obligation - to pay for the services rendered to me on time. So their accounting system fails on me. And I pay regularly with a small upfront payment on the day I pay for all utilities on all my property. Not when they thought of it. Terrible you are ours.
аватар hendo7
It’s understandable about electricity. You need to pay on time. But the author’s case, I think, is different .... My debtor also has a bailiff’s case. But there is no money. Like the debtor. Are you (you)? Do not let go anywhere. Pay your debts and sleep (fly) in peace.
аватар HotLine
sent2008, every 200 is a huge number. It's strange that you don't understand this. Imagine - a malicious violator of fundamental safety rules lives in the entrance of every house. It's horrible.
Further you write that it is fast. You could divide 14,000,000 by 70,000. What about further calculations? There are 438 justices of the peace in Moscow. I've looked at next week's misdemeanor court schedule for four precincts. http://mos-sud.ru. On average, a judge hears about 15 such cases per week. Total for the year - 782 cases. For all justices of the peace in Moscow - 340 thousand. And then 70 thousand additional. Even for them to process it in a year, they have to increase productivity by 20%. So your statement that such "questions are considered quickly" is destroyed by elementary calculations.
аватар HotLine
ollennka, Your list consists of internal restrictions. I can add a few more important elements to it. But we are talking about external restrictions, when someone or something restricts your rights. I requested this list.

So far, there is one such recipe from you - "I am interested in my traffic police fines on a regular basis." What else?
аватар sent2008
Hotline, spring is already over, your insanity is getting stronger. I don’t know how many justices of the peace are in Moscow, moreover, I don’t want to know, I don’t need it, as well as the schedules of meetings of these same judges. And such issues are considered quickly - this is from personal communication with one justice of the peace - my good friend and from communication with colleagues, relatives, acquaintances - I communicate with people “live”, and not only on this site.
Strange you, to say the least, looked for some crap on the Internet that has nothing to do with it, and let's ruin the brains of others. Note that your verbiage has nothing to do with the question that was discussed at the very beginning of the branch. The mere fact that you have studied the number of justices of the peace in a city that has nothing in common with you, learned the schedules of meetings, calculated their efficiency, and so on, speaks volumes. I turn off the notification checkbox, because I am not a psychiatrist and to communicate with you on duty, out of mercy, according to interests, etc. I don't need.
аватар HotLine
Basically, that's what I wanted to hear from you. I agree with your definition of this official statement from an official body. I quote: "I found some crap."
I gave links. And on the body and on the list of justices of the peace in Moscow.
Sorry for interfering with your highly cultured conversation.
аватар sigur62
I still have the notification checkbox, so let's continue our highly cultured conversation.
Old man, don't worry so much. If a person has exceeded the unpaid amount of fines of 10 thousand rubles, such a person has nothing to do abroad. And your whining about "external restrictions, when someone or something restricts your rights" (c) - I hear every day when such a lover of living at someone else's expense comes to me in snot and tears about what he has after shutdown unfrozen cottage of 400 sq.m. and the children are cold... After all, such a redneck understands perfectly well that others will pay for him in the form of tariff increases and other charges.
The fact that you have a counter on "private territory" surprised me. In our country, even in remote villages, meters are placed either on the nearest overhead power line support to the house, or on the outer wall of the house or on the fence, and the controller does not need the presence of the owner to take readings. In Vyborg, in general, metering units are installed on supports at a height of 4 meters and the readings are transmitted automatically through the interface directly to the billing department (remote data transmission, read about it). And arguing about your rights with a box is counterproductive)))
аватар HotLine
Every 200th (bad associations) resident of Moscow has unpaid fines of 10,000 rubles? Almost a billion rubles of unpaid large fines in Moscow alone? And another five billion small, not exceeding 10,000 rubles. And there is no effective and civilized mechanism for solving such a problem?
There is no sigur62 on them. You would quickly solve this problem. Well, not fast. If you listen to whining and bring to snot 300 people a day, then in a year.
Funny. Is it really not clear that we need a system and not shares? And since the people there are not stupid, the conclusions about which I wrote above arise. This is an action, not an efficient and civilized method of solving a problem.
My electricity is always paid in advance. Therefore, "at someone else's expense" is not about me. I just do it when it suits me. If they want to do it in a way that is convenient for them, then let them build the system that you described. I do not get pleasure, as some do, from the fact that someone is inconvenienced by the system because of someone else's stupidity.
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