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I'm going to the states for the second time (the first time was 5 months), an acquaintance in a persistent way does not advise to fly from Ukraine (whether Boryspil or Lviv), but recommends to start from Europe (maybe Warsaw). As a plane from Ukraine, there is a high probability that visas will be revoked and deported. Who has information on this, I will be very grateful.
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аватар ollennka
And why did a friend make such conclusions? Are there any statistics? In theory, what difference does it make to the border guard whether a person was flying on a direct flight or connecting through Europe?
аватар AllOverTheWorld
is that .. every day at least 200 people cancel their visas?)) you yourself are not funny? Or do you have a "left" visa? Or are you under sanctions?
this is from a series ... "they heard a ringing, but they don't know where it is"
аватар L_ena
Look how the person with Russia in his profile is concerned about the deportation of all passengers on the plane from Ukraine. It's good that the Americans came up with Google Translate, right, seryogin_s?
аватар kolyan_cat
Complete crap.
I flew a month ago, the plane was filled to capacity, stamps slapped like a conveyor upon arrival, they didn’t even ask me anything, they silently slapped everyone else I saw in line in front of me too.
аватар DENIRA
Everything is not so simple, for how long did you apply for a visa - I think not for 5 months? Get ready to answer questions. It is not so easy to get to the States, even after arriving at the airport. And if there is no return ticket, then most likely they will ask about the availability of funds for a long period of stay in the country - can you show it? I personally saw Europeans who were denied entry to the United States.
аватар AllOverTheWorld
to DENIRA where are you from? citizen of which country? in Ukraine, a visa (B1 / B2) is not requested, and even more so, there is no visa validity period for 5 months. (in Ukraine)
recently, if a visa is issued ... then mostly for 10 years ... and there is a certain corridor of stay in the United States ... basically it is six months or less.
Do not confuse denial of entry and cancellation of a visa. Moreover, the bulk of Europeans in the Schengen zone are provided with a simplified form of obtaining a visa.. the so-called electronic visa (e-visa)
аватар DENIRA
Does everyone ask for a visa for 10 years? I think that a tourist visa is requested for 2-3 weeks, a maximum of a month. And if they give for 10 years, this does not mean that a person can stay in the country for all 10 years. If you ask for a visa for 2 weeks, then be kind enough to stay in the country for 2 weeks, well, at least for the first time, and not 5 months (although formally this is not a violation).
Citizens of the European Union (for the most part) do not need a visa at all, but only a completed application form within 48 hours and an electronic confirmation of entry permission. But at the border, all travelers may be asked the number of days of stay and the availability of a certain sufficient amount of money for living.
аватар AllOverTheWorld
you can't read???? Visas are not requested for a period !!!! it is given or not, and for how long ... it is at the discretion of the consul. The applicant indicates in the questionnaire the approximate duration and reason for the stay in the United States.
Of course, it cannot stay permanently for 10 years ... that's why I wrote about the corridor. The maximum is 180 days ...
An electronic confirmation is an e-visa (the so-called ESTA system)
аватар kolyan_cat
What is a tourist visa for 2-3 weeks? The ignorance of the subject is immediately evident.
In the States, they now put a visa for 10 years, and the corridor of stay is determined in the stamp that the officer puts at the entrance to the United States. I had 3 months last time.
аватар DENIRA
Yes, but you have great knowledge of how to send Vasya instead of Lucy !!!!! Have you tried with the states? Asking and giving are different actions, and the actions of complete strangers. What airport did you fly into? What questions were asked at the border??? How many days of stay in the country were declared at the border and how many actually stayed? What stamps are affixed to your passport when you leave? You will share in detail such a successful experience.
The corridor of stay is not set for everyone - they didn’t set me at all.
аватар kolyan_cat
To begin with, I ask you to show a "tourist visa" for 2 weeks))) I already wrote about questions above - no one asked anything. The rest is hardly interesting to the author of the question.
аватар DENIRA
In the continuation, show the request in the questionnaire for a period of stay of 10 years. So which airport is in the US? Are they not asking questions? And what stamps were put at the exit?
аватар AllOverTheWorld
oooooh .... all the same, you don’t know how to read ....... the consul to one place, what is the period in the questionnaire .... he decides for how long to issue a visa. open the official website of the American embassy in Kyiv ... see the questionnaires online there. there is no question about the visa...there is a question about the expected time and stay...do you catch the difference???? me and my parents have been given a corridor for 180 days for 10 years already .... before, visas were seen for a period of 6 months, a year and 5 years. the last 3 years if visas are issued they are set mainly for 10 years.
аватар DENIRA
It was a misunderstanding with the consul that happened to you - and what does he have to do with the question? The person already has a visa and the entry procedure is important for him. And for the border guard at the entrance, the question just arises for how long the stay was requested and what the person did in the country for 5 months and how much money he lived all this time and why he did not stay in the country for the initially declared 2-3-4 weeks.
аватар AllOverTheWorld
you are not pierced .... the border guard does not see the questionnaire. Let him say he came to friends .... to visit distant relatives ... yes, Lord ... to travel by bike around the states .... I will provide you with any bank account ..... if you don’t have cash for six months .. .it shouldn't be... the border guard what... will he check all the balances on your cards? you told an isolated case .... and kolyan_cat and I tell you how it happens most often ... all the more the question was about visa cancellation (I know where the wind blows, a couple of months ago a group of tourists canceled American visas in France, who knows he knows the reason), and not about passing control. and you started talking about some kind of five-month visas.
аватар ollennka
Forgive me for interfering with swearing, but what happened in France, why was the whole group wrapped up?
аватар AllOverTheWorld
please, please .. interfere) I will write to you in a personal ... so as not to clog the air)
аватар DENIRA
The border guard does not see the questionnaire, he asks for how long the stay was requested for a visa. And then, accordingly, why the original plans changed. And the phones with the addresses of friends who stayed will ask, even call and check the availability of money in the account, do not hesitate. If he has even the slightest doubt about your intentions, he will unfold and "do not blink an eye." Moreover, stamps in the passport can instruct about the cancellation of the visa.
Here is a brief instruction of actions at the airport. Questions ASK EVERYONE
Once off the plane, follow the signs directing you to the Foreign Citizens' Entrance. At the airport, you will be asked a few questions and all your documents will be checked when you go through security. Form I-94 is submitted to the arriving Immigration or Naturalization Service (INS) officer at passport control at the entrance to the arrivals hall.
The decision to admit an alien to the United States is made by an officer at the Immigration or Naturalization Service (INS) post at the airport during the initial inspection
аватар DENIRA
It also determines the length of stay in the United States.
Please note that the duration of your stay is indicated on the I-94 form, not on the US visa. A visa issued for ten years does not mean that you can stay in the US for ten years. The permitted length of stay is listed at the bottom of Form I-94, called the I-94 Departure Record. This part is separated from Form I-94 and attached to your passport.
Do not lose this form, or rather, take care of it like the apple of your eye. When leaving the US, you will need to submit this form to the airline representative. The visa you received from the embassy or consulate does not guarantee entry into the United States. At passport control at a US airport, an INS officer decides whether to let you into the country or not. It also determines the length of stay in the United States. As a rule, the period of stay on a B-1 / B-2 visa is determined in the range from 1 to 6 months.
If an INS inspector has any doubts about the purpose of the visa holder's entry, he will usually call a senior
аватар DENIRA
and the entrant undergoes what is known as a secondary inspection. In this case, it is useful to have with you the main documents that were submitted at the embassy when obtaining a visa.
аватар DENIRA
US visa cancellation for Ukrainian tourists in France was discussed here http://www.turpravda.com/forums/discussion/126985/viza_v_ssha
аватар kolyan_cat
Of course, I’m wildly sorry, but in the States there is no border guard at the exit))) And they don’t put any stamp. And it's been a long time.
And everyone puts visas in their passports for 10 years, even if you ask for 1 week)))
And yet, now you don’t need to have any form with you, only a passport with a visa and that’s it.
"Stirlitz has never been so close to failure" :))
аватар AllOverTheWorld
I myself am in shock ... I sit and think ... so my parents illegally got into the states) And you, kolyan_cat, lost a piece of paper attached to your passport ??? and did not keep it like the apple of an eye??? how so? but how cool is DENIRA able to use ctrl + C and ctrl + V))) and the source of this information is for what year?)))
аватар DENIRA
Are you sure you flew to the USA? But what about the declaration, which was filled out on the plane, to whom it was given and what form it is? Passport control at departure takes place at check-in of luggage and depends on the country you are flying to. If you do not fly to a visa-free non-country of citizenship, then they check passports and other documents. Stamps can either be delivered or not.
So which airport can you get into the USA without a stamp on your declaration?
аватар AllOverTheWorld
Of course, only you flew to the USA. the rest of the visas were either canceled or wrapped up by border guards.
аватар kolyan_cat
And where did the stamp on the declaration come from? Is this a way to change the subject?
And about passport control when checking in luggage - and if I fly without luggage, then there is no control, is it possible without a passport? Funny)))
аватар AllOverTheWorld
to DENIRA, of course, you'll excuse me... but from the outside it looks like this.... that you are finally one in a million received a visa... and ended up in the most closed country for Ukrainians - the United States. and you are now a guru...and you know everything...and the rest are fools.
Why are you arguing with us? Write to the topicstarter in a personal, who, by the way, did not leave a single comment, and discuss with him about the most difficult hit in the USA.
yes, thousands of compatriots go to the states for illegal work for three or 6 months. flew ... they fly and will fly ... and everyone knows about it ... including employees of various departments in the States and are trying to minimize the flow of illegal labor .... but this does not mean that all arriving tourists from Ukraine should nightmare.
аватар DENIRA
kolyan_cat, have you been to the US? Why don't you know the number of the declaration form and can't remember the airport of arrival? Also say that they don’t scan anything, but open the doors without question. And you don’t suspect about the procedure for checking in for a flight, or do you do it without a passport if you don’t have luggage? So I will tell you a big secret that you can check in your luggage even 9 hours before the flight, and check-in without luggage starts only 2 hours before. Therefore, when checking in luggage, automatic check-in for the flight and passport control take place simultaneously....
аватар DENIRA
AllOverTheWorld have you really become an ADMIN, that you allow yourself to tell me what and where to write on this forum? I asked the author specific questions about his situation. Does this not suit you? You want to tell that at US airports all Ukrainians are met on the "red carpet", they do not ask them any questions at all and open the entrance gates with a bow. In practice, it doesn't look that great.
аватар kolyan_cat
I don’t have to know the declaration number, for me it’s a one-time piece of paper - I filled it out, gave it and forgot))) I’m sure that 99.9% of those visiting the States also don’t know this number)))
What I observed at the airport is that there is almost no polling of passengers; compared to Schengen, they go "along the red carpet." And there is a clear explanation for this, but I won’t explain, otherwise I will again be dragged into the swamp of demagoguery)))
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