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To Turkey from Ukraine - without the permission of a foreign father. Released?
The question is simple: release or not. Excerpts from the legislation are given below, the practical experience of the local inhabitants is of interest.
Conditions of the problem:
- Ukraine
- child 12 years old
- the child's mother is a citizen of Ukraine
- the father of the child is a citizen of Russia (according to the birth certificate), has been unknown where for several years, the fact of missing was not officially registered.
- according to the decree of the Cabinet of Ministers No. 932 dated 11.07.2007, "[...] without notarization, go to another father: if the other father is a foreigner, or a special person without enormity, which confirms the record about the father in the certificate about the nation of the child, that checkpoint;"
- a familiar lawyer claims that this item does not work and has never worked.
Where is the truth?
Conditions of the problem:
- Ukraine
- child 12 years old
- the child's mother is a citizen of Ukraine
- the father of the child is a citizen of Russia (according to the birth certificate), has been unknown where for several years, the fact of missing was not officially registered.
- according to the decree of the Cabinet of Ministers No. 932 dated 11.07.2007, "[...] without notarization, go to another father: if the other father is a foreigner, or a special person without enormity, which confirms the record about the father in the certificate about the nation of the child, that checkpoint;"
- a familiar lawyer claims that this item does not work and has never worked.
Where is the truth?
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submit a request to customs.
and the loss had to be either formalized or deprived of the rights, otherwise your child will be restricted to leave until 18.
and the clause most likely does not work - even if 12 years ago it was written in the child’s certificate that the father is a foreigner - how do you prove that he has not changed citizenship in 12 years. they won't bother with it at passport control.
there is another option to buy a notarized permit, but this is if you have familiar lawyers who, under the angle of the case, will sign ...
and the loss had to be either formalized or deprived of the rights, otherwise your child will be restricted to leave until 18.
and the clause most likely does not work - even if 12 years ago it was written in the child’s certificate that the father is a foreigner - how do you prove that he has not changed citizenship in 12 years. they won't bother with it at passport control.
there is another option to buy a notarized permit, but this is if you have familiar lawyers who, under the angle of the case, will sign ...
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answered 14 years ago
my sister's situation is almost the same as yours
she is Ukrainian, her husband is Russian, now divorced (husband in Russia)
The difference is that the husband, thank God, has not disappeared anywhere.
So, permission certified by a notary is required every time
when they go on vacation abroad in Turkey-Egypt
without this permission, unfortunately (((
she is Ukrainian, her husband is Russian, now divorced (husband in Russia)
The difference is that the husband, thank God, has not disappeared anywhere.
So, permission certified by a notary is required every time
when they go on vacation abroad in Turkey-Egypt
without this permission, unfortunately (((
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answered 14 years ago
Yes, this item does not work. A notarized permission of the second parent is required.
Are your parents divorced? Do you know where your father is?
Just last week, my friend was not allowed to enter the Boryspil airport, having a notarized permission from her father, they were not allowed to go to Israel for treatment of the child, citing the fact that the child has a separate passport and is not included in the mother's passport.
Are your parents divorced? Do you know where your father is?
Just last week, my friend was not allowed to enter the Boryspil airport, having a notarized permission from her father, they were not allowed to go to Israel for treatment of the child, citing the fact that the child has a separate passport and is not included in the mother's passport.
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answered 14 years ago
those. may not be released even with permission from the father? is it legal? elenako please explain in more detail. how can this be
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answered 14 years ago
It is necessary to clarify by country. It turns out that in February they passed a law under which, when traveling to Israel, it is necessary, in addition to the notarized permission of the father (they are not divorced, a real family), to enter the child in the mother’s passport. I repeat, the child has his own passport.
As for Turkey, I don’t know, but in my opinion, apart from this permission, nothing is needed.
And for my friend, everything has shifted by a week - they are already in Israel. With all the penalties and bewilderment about the travel agent who sold the tickets, and at the same time absolutely did not say about this entry in the passport.
As for Turkey, I don’t know, but in my opinion, apart from this permission, nothing is needed.
And for my friend, everything has shifted by a week - they are already in Israel. With all the penalties and bewilderment about the travel agent who sold the tickets, and at the same time absolutely did not say about this entry in the passport.
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answered 14 years ago
This rule does not really work.
It seems to me that the reason is that in Ukraine if there is a conflict between the law and the bylaw (in this case - the resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers), the rule of law will work, because it has the highest force (here - the Law "On leaving Ukraine and entry into Ukraine of citizens of Ukraine ".)
It seems to me that the reason is that in Ukraine if there is a conflict between the law and the bylaw (in this case - the resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers), the rule of law will work, because it has the highest force (here - the Law "On leaving Ukraine and entry into Ukraine of citizens of Ukraine ".)
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answered 14 years ago
This has not happened in our practice for a long time. But I would answer - notarial permission is not needed.
But so unanimous previous opinions that I doubted.
My position is based on the following. Primary is the norm of the civil code. Decree of the Cabinet of Ministers - a by-law. So the Civil Guard protects the rights of parents - citizens of Ukraine. He cannot protect the rights of parents who are not citizens of Ukraine.
Those. this norm protects not the child, but the rights of the parent who is not around. The Ukrainian code does not apply to Russian citizens.
And you need to find out, of course, not at the customs, as sandra-art believes. Customs has other functions.
Call Derzhkordon's hotline. They have a website, they have a phone number.
Israel is really a mess. There were no laws, of course. This is an intergovernmental agreement ratified by the Verkhovna Rada. So, in this agreement about children, not a single word is written. BUT.
The first paragraph indicates that PASSPORTS are mutually recognized. Thus, the travel documents that are issued to children fell out. A child can also travel on a children's travel card, but first you need to get a visa for it. By the way, it's easy now.
But why did it happen? Don't know
But so unanimous previous opinions that I doubted.
My position is based on the following. Primary is the norm of the civil code. Decree of the Cabinet of Ministers - a by-law. So the Civil Guard protects the rights of parents - citizens of Ukraine. He cannot protect the rights of parents who are not citizens of Ukraine.
Those. this norm protects not the child, but the rights of the parent who is not around. The Ukrainian code does not apply to Russian citizens.
And you need to find out, of course, not at the customs, as sandra-art believes. Customs has other functions.
Call Derzhkordon's hotline. They have a website, they have a phone number.
Israel is really a mess. There were no laws, of course. This is an intergovernmental agreement ratified by the Verkhovna Rada. So, in this agreement about children, not a single word is written. BUT.
The first paragraph indicates that PASSPORTS are mutually recognized. Thus, the travel documents that are issued to children fell out. A child can also travel on a children's travel card, but first you need to get a visa for it. By the way, it's easy now.
But why did it happen? Don't know
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answered 14 years ago
HotLine - so we all don’t know how this happened, but the fact remains that three people were returned - a mother, a son and a grandmother. perhaps the old ones were overbooked. The treatment agreement also shifted. There were so many emotions !!! And all with a minus sign, of course.
I will find out the details after June 9 (if they are released from Israel (just kidding)
I will find out the details after June 9 (if they are released from Israel (just kidding)
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answered 14 years ago