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Good afternoon. I want to visit the Church of St. Nicholas. Tell me, who was there, what are the prices for icons? Is it possible to bargain in the shop at the church?
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In the shop that the guide insistently recommends visiting, icons (certificates are issued for the icons) cost from fifty dollars (10x15 cm) to two thousand dollars. For 200-300 dollars the icons were very beautiful. There is another shop around the corner, where the icons are cheaper, but the guide will argue that there are not certified church icons. Bargaining in this shop is not accepted (we were told by the guide), but you may ask if something has changed in a year.
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answered 11 years ago
And why is this not accepted? The relics of St. Nicholas in Bari, Italy, so the icons do not represent special holiness, ordinary icons, as in any church shop. And the guides tell a lot of things for their own interest.
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answered 11 years ago
Why be surprised? All guides have kickbacks. They hang noodles for tourists so that they can buy only in specific shops.
In Israel, when selling supposedly consecrated icons, too
most. You need to buy only in this store, because in others the sellers are crooks.
In Israel, when selling supposedly consecrated icons, too
most. You need to buy only in this store, because in others the sellers are crooks.
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answered 11 years ago
A certificate, as far as I understand, for expensive icons (silver salary, decoration with rubies (under rubies?)) - for customs.
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answered 11 years ago
You can and should trade. We almost halved the price last year, there are a lot of icon shops there.
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answered 11 years ago
Was last Thursday.
Icons (according to sellers, in a silver frame):
small - about 5*7cm - $50
bigger - approx 8*12 cm - $75
Didn't buy anything.
Icons (according to sellers, in a silver frame):
small - about 5*7cm - $50
bigger - approx 8*12 cm - $75
Didn't buy anything.
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answered 11 years ago
I also advise you to go to Patara (Gelemysh), walk around the ancient city where St. Nicholas was born, take a branch of a tree or bush from the ground as a keepsake, as my wife and I did this year - this, in my opinion, is more valuable than a certified icon .From Demre the distance is 85 km.
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answered 11 years ago
Icons are overpriced. We didn't buy them. They took palms and wooden icons. And when we arrived home, we specially went to Svetogorsk to have a look. There are the same palms and icons only half the price. Only in our Christian places they are somehow made with faith. And there only for divorce tourists. As our guide said "Turks are very entrepreneurial people"
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answered 11 years ago
Similar icons are exactly 2 times more expensive, artificial rubies, we brought mother-in-law as a gift, they said that it was consecrated, maybe not the icon itself, but at least the belief that it was consecrated and brought from far away will help, 1,500 rubles for a gift and faith is not much, besides, and pretty.
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answered 11 years ago
And be sure to take the tour. But we, honestly, did not fully listen to the guide, min 15 before the end of her story left. Because it’s not so easy to approach the relics, a long line gathers, and there is not much time.
I was in Greece this year, in my opinion, there are a lot of these icons in all tourist cities.
I wish you a good rest
I was in Greece this year, in my opinion, there are a lot of these icons in all tourist cities.
I wish you a good rest
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answered 11 years ago
Natali_NN, I do not dissuade anyone, this is a personal matter for everyone. But do you think there is high-quality silver or real rubies. And by whom can it be consecrated, by the Turks? Do not make me laugh. They even list the temple itself not as a sacred place, but as a museum. This is a sacred place for us and hope for a miracle, but they only have a "Place to make money" and a divorce of tourists for certified icons.
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answered 11 years ago
my visit to the church with the tour group did not cause any emotions at all. can not be compared with a personal visit to the Basilica of St. John in Selcuk, where we wandered by ourselves, and something sacred was felt in that place. and most importantly - not commercial. I think you need to go there on your own.
These places are overpriced. I bought icons in the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra cheaper. there are good church shops here. and the presence of silver and precious stones does not make a thing more holy.
These places are overpriced. I bought icons in the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra cheaper. there are good church shops here. and the presence of silver and precious stones does not make a thing more holy.
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answered 11 years ago
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I agree with you completely. Individual visits to such places are more soulful. I just don't like when
I agree with you completely. Individual visits to such places are more soulful. I just don't like when
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answered 11 years ago
*tourists are bred for money. But in principle, everyone decides for himself. But I agree with Anetka-gan
"you need to go there on your own" in order to feel the holiness of the place, but the commercial vein.
"you need to go there on your own" in order to feel the holiness of the place, but the commercial vein.
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answered 11 years ago
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And I’m not talking about high-quality silver, I’m saying that 1,500 for a souvenir, it’s not expensive, and maybe the truth will help the mother-in-law, at least the confidence that she is illuminated, because often it’s not doctors who help, but faith, and we poor believe in general after the collapse of Russia nothing.
And I’m not talking about high-quality silver, I’m saying that 1,500 for a souvenir, it’s not expensive, and maybe the truth will help the mother-in-law, at least the confidence that she is illuminated, because often it’s not doctors who help, but faith, and we poor believe in general after the collapse of Russia nothing.
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answered 11 years ago
Natali_NN
May God bless you and your mother-in-law. Just honestly a shame for our fellow citizens. After this tour, I was indignant for a very long time. Our guide was Ukrainian Julia, who married a Turk. And she became an ardent defender of the Turks. This church now houses the Sarcophagus, which originally contained the relics of St. Nicholas, and the relics themselves are in Venice. As Yulia told us, the Turks suggested that if the relics were returned to them, they would return the Church's status, but for now it's just a museum. And she added that the Turks have a very developed entrepreneurial streak. those. well done Turks, and all the rest suckers. And besides, they stick all sorts of icons to tourists, telling tales about their healing properties.
May God bless you and your mother-in-law. Just honestly a shame for our fellow citizens. After this tour, I was indignant for a very long time. Our guide was Ukrainian Julia, who married a Turk. And she became an ardent defender of the Turks. This church now houses the Sarcophagus, which originally contained the relics of St. Nicholas, and the relics themselves are in Venice. As Yulia told us, the Turks suggested that if the relics were returned to them, they would return the Church's status, but for now it's just a museum. And she added that the Turks have a very developed entrepreneurial streak. those. well done Turks, and all the rest suckers. And besides, they stick all sorts of icons to tourists, telling tales about their healing properties.
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answered 11 years ago
"And besides, they stick all sorts of icons to tourists, telling tales about their healing properties"
This happens in all Christian places of worship.
This happens in all Christian places of worship.
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Alla3107
I agree with you, the tour it depends on the guide, on this tour we were also unlucky with him, against the background of the Egyptian there was just a boring boring guide, but the impressions from the tour were only positive, because Turkey is still a country rich in history. And there are plenty of suckers and good fellows in any nation. If you look for flaws, then of course there will be a lot of negativity, and if you tune in to a positive wave in advance, then all sorts of little things will be on the drum, the sun, sea and mountains will completely overshadow the incorrect stories of the guides. But what sandpiper does not praise his swamp??? And I also hope that my mother-in-law will be all right, maybe even a far-fetched story about a shrine will help her. Because our medicine cannot.
I agree with you, the tour it depends on the guide, on this tour we were also unlucky with him, against the background of the Egyptian there was just a boring boring guide, but the impressions from the tour were only positive, because Turkey is still a country rich in history. And there are plenty of suckers and good fellows in any nation. If you look for flaws, then of course there will be a lot of negativity, and if you tune in to a positive wave in advance, then all sorts of little things will be on the drum, the sun, sea and mountains will completely overshadow the incorrect stories of the guides. But what sandpiper does not praise his swamp??? And I also hope that my mother-in-law will be all right, maybe even a far-fetched story about a shrine will help her. Because our medicine cannot.
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answered 11 years ago
This tour is very interesting, despite the guide. The guide was advertised to us as a graduate, but in fact he spoke Russian very poorly, spoke little, half did not understand. Nevertheless, the impressions from the tour were only positive.
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answered 11 years ago
There is a suggestion - girls who got a not very good guide - please write through which travel agency you went on this tour!
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answered 11 years ago
We had a guide Sebrier (woman). We went from Teztur. She spoke very interestingly. It is clear that the guides receive commissions for the purchases of tourists, but it is your own business to buy something or not. We got exactly what and where we wanted. No more and no less. The tour is interesting, but time-consuming and tedious for children.
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answered 11 years ago
"Because it is not so easy to approach the relics, a long line is going, and there is not much time." - it is not in vain that the Turks are enterprising!
Yes, they are not there, the relics of St. Nicholas are in the city of Bari in Italy (I saw them with my own eyes), the Byzantines took them from the Turks from the Middle Ages and did not return them.
"They even list the temple itself not as a sacred place, but as a museum." -that's right, there is a museum, because there is nothing sacred there, I wrote above where the pilgrims go.
"In this church now there is a Sarcophagus in which the relics of St. Nicholas were originally located, and the relics themselves are in Venice." Again false information! Look at the map of Italy and see where is Venice and where is Bari.
Yes, they are not there, the relics of St. Nicholas are in the city of Bari in Italy (I saw them with my own eyes), the Byzantines took them from the Turks from the Middle Ages and did not return them.
"They even list the temple itself not as a sacred place, but as a museum." -that's right, there is a museum, because there is nothing sacred there, I wrote above where the pilgrims go.
"In this church now there is a Sarcophagus in which the relics of St. Nicholas were originally located, and the relics themselves are in Venice." Again false information! Look at the map of Italy and see where is Venice and where is Bari.
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answered 11 years ago
In my photo album "Ravenna and Bari" you can see these relics, as well as the church where they are, to do this, go to my account. Yes, the Turks are bred out of the blue!!! Organized holiness!!!
This is how they showed me in Razliv a hut in which Lenin was hiding, and the smell of hay has not yet disappeared, the hay is last year's maximum. And they also insisted that this hut should be treated with respect.
This is how they showed me in Razliv a hut in which Lenin was hiding, and the smell of hay has not yet disappeared, the hay is last year's maximum. And they also insisted that this hut should be treated with respect.
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answered 11 years ago
Yes, they do not breed holiness :) I was on this tour - the guide did not carry any religious nonsense, only history. He didn't lie about the relics. The tour was from Trek Travel, it's a pity they no longer work for our market.
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answered 11 years ago
Pachok! I'm not talking about what the guides say - the truth or not! I’m talking about how people want to get miraculous icons, things, etc., for a company with a tour, and they “sacredly” believe in it. I wrote about this here in the second post, and then I read that there is a long line in Demre to the relics, certificates for icons, and according to information, someone will look for relics in Venice. I'm talking about this.
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answered 11 years ago
They sell triangular pendants of St. Nicholas with earth, water and myrrh sealed on the sides, and crosses on the sides. Well, if you look carefully, you will see that they are upside down. friendly people turn into aggressive and angry....
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