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Moving from Ukraine to Russia. Permanent residence, citizenship.
My girlfriend is an adult citizen of Ukraine (Shchors). We are going to transport her to me in Russia. Make her Russian citizenship. Here I called the FMS and they told me what would be required of her:
1. Passport of Ukraine
2. Certificate of education
3. Birth certificate
4. Migration card
5. Help that she is not married there (well, if we get married)
6. Departure sheet
7. Stamp in the passport for permanent residence.
And then here either according to the state. program to go or arrange a marriage .. well, this is at our discretion. That's not the point. The beginning is the same there and there (temporary residence permit, residence permit, etc.).
Faced with a problem - Departure sheet and permanent residence. She is told in the passport office that in order to get out of Ukraine she needs a passport. And that she will write an application for renunciation of Ukrainian citizenship there, and so on.
1. Passport of Ukraine
2. Certificate of education
3. Birth certificate
4. Migration card
5. Help that she is not married there (well, if we get married)
6. Departure sheet
7. Stamp in the passport for permanent residence.
And then here either according to the state. program to go or arrange a marriage .. well, this is at our discretion. That's not the point. The beginning is the same there and there (temporary residence permit, residence permit, etc.).
Faced with a problem - Departure sheet and permanent residence. She is told in the passport office that in order to get out of Ukraine she needs a passport. And that she will write an application for renunciation of Ukrainian citizenship there, and so on.
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I do not understand why a passport? Is he needed? they didn't tell me anything about him. And why do it, if it takes 3 months, and as far as I know, an internal passport of Ukraine is enough to leave. They also said something there that not all cities can be checked out. Like, if she leaves Shchors and registers in Kyiv, for example, then later she will be able to leave Kyiv for Russia without a passport
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answered 13 years ago
or something like that. I won't understand it. Tell me how to do it right?
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answered 13 years ago
Ask a question to professionals, and wait for an answer, or find the same
http://www.migrants.ru/questions.php?page=1
http://www.migrants.ru/questions.php?page=1
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answered 13 years ago
The passport is made at the place of residence for about 5 weeks. Because Now is the hot period. Picked up in October 3 weeks later. There is, also, such a thing as "URGENT" - I won't tell you how many they do.
For 2-3 days can be done in a travel agency. But - you need to call to clarify.
For 2-3 days can be done in a travel agency. But - you need to call to clarify.
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answered 13 years ago
I recommend ordering a passport directly at the place of printing-EDAPSE.
Probably (according to rumors), there is a queue (we made passports here four times and there was no queue). But it is convenient and modern, where to wait, everyone is talking, the bank is also there.
http://www.passport-ua.org/ua/price.html
Contact Information
Services on registration of the passport of the citizen of Ukraine for departure abroad are provided for inhabitants of all areas and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea to the address:
Kyiv, Bortnychi microdistrict, street Lenin, 64
We work from Monday to Thursday, from 9:00 to 18:00, Wednesday to 13:00, Friday to 17:00.
Lunch break: 13: 00-14: 00.
Transport:
minibus № 104 from the metro "Kharkivska",
bus № 104 from the metro "Boryspilska ",
minibus №529.
Phone for inquiries:
+ 38 (044) 593-61-73
Probably (according to rumors), there is a queue (we made passports here four times and there was no queue). But it is convenient and modern, where to wait, everyone is talking, the bank is also there.
http://www.passport-ua.org/ua/price.html
Contact Information
Services on registration of the passport of the citizen of Ukraine for departure abroad are provided for inhabitants of all areas and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea to the address:
Kyiv, Bortnychi microdistrict, street Lenin, 64
We work from Monday to Thursday, from 9:00 to 18:00, Wednesday to 13:00, Friday to 17:00.
Lunch break: 13: 00-14: 00.
Transport:
minibus № 104 from the metro "Kharkivska",
bus № 104 from the metro "Boryspilska ",
minibus №529.
Phone for inquiries:
+ 38 (044) 593-61-73
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answered 13 years ago
The interregional center for issuing passport documents was established by the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine in close cooperation with the domestic EDAPS Consortium
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answered 13 years ago
You can always check out! Deregistration can be done at any time, but often the housing departments require certificates of the absence of debts for utility bills and there are debts, then they begin to put spokes in the wheels. Checking out is not a problem!
But with the renunciation of citizenship of Ukraine, isn't it too early? A residence permit in Russia is far from Russian citizenship. She can easily remain a citizen of Ukraine, having a residence permit and permanently residing in Russia.
A friend is now in St. Petersburg. He received a residence permit, works, is married, but he is a citizen of Ukraine, calmly checked out of the apartment. He also issued a passport.
But with the renunciation of citizenship of Ukraine, isn't it too early? A residence permit in Russia is far from Russian citizenship. She can easily remain a citizen of Ukraine, having a residence permit and permanently residing in Russia.
A friend is now in St. Petersburg. He received a residence permit, works, is married, but he is a citizen of Ukraine, calmly checked out of the apartment. He also issued a passport.
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answered 13 years ago
I agree 100%, while a residence permit in Russia with a Ukrainian passport, and then life will show, they have not yet banned people from traveling to Russia with an internal passport, the migration sheet is filled out on the train, then you will not be in a hurry to figure out all the nuances! .d. Moreover, to withdraw from registration, obtaining a passport, in general, for the time being, an unnecessary hassle. "I'm going to visit" and that's it!
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answered 13 years ago
I don't quite understand what it means to leave. We needed a departure sheet and this seal of permanent residence in the passport. She went to her passport office. There they said about the passport and about the application for renunciation of citizenship. It also seems too early to me - it turns out that she has not yet been to Russia, but will already arrive, having renounced Ukrainian citizenship. It's strange like that. I just want to do everything at once, of course, so as not to wander around once again (I'm from the Khabarovsk Territory .. and it's too far)
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answered 13 years ago
Registration in Ukraine is now called registration.
Check out (de-register) - this means that the citizen will no longer permanently reside in this place, but will be in another, and this other place is indicated quite freely on the departure list. For example, when buying an apartment in a new building at an early stage of construction and selling an old one, the address of the house is often not known, or if it is a rural area, then they write a village, a street. No one checks this at all - no one needs it. Your list will contain the address where the girl is going, according to the words.
Your girlfriend may just want to check out any day. Not necessarily for the purpose of leaving for Russia. Just on the basis that she won't live here. And she will live in another apartment, in another city, she will buy an apartment and will live there or is going to rent a house, etc. This is her wish. And this is not a problem - unless it is created artificially.
But!
SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO RENEW CITIZENSHIP NOW FOR DEFINITELY! Until your girlfriend "settles" in Russia, that is, she does not receive a residence permit, she does not need to renounce Ukrainian citizenship. You will definitely have to come once, but then.
Check out (de-register) - this means that the citizen will no longer permanently reside in this place, but will be in another, and this other place is indicated quite freely on the departure list. For example, when buying an apartment in a new building at an early stage of construction and selling an old one, the address of the house is often not known, or if it is a rural area, then they write a village, a street. No one checks this at all - no one needs it. Your list will contain the address where the girl is going, according to the words.
Your girlfriend may just want to check out any day. Not necessarily for the purpose of leaving for Russia. Just on the basis that she won't live here. And she will live in another apartment, in another city, she will buy an apartment and will live there or is going to rent a house, etc. This is her wish. And this is not a problem - unless it is created artificially.
But!
SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO RENEW CITIZENSHIP NOW FOR DEFINITELY! Until your girlfriend "settles" in Russia, that is, she does not receive a residence permit, she does not need to renounce Ukrainian citizenship. You will definitely have to come once, but then.
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answered 13 years ago
But this site is not very suitable for immigration advice. There are tourists, mostly
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answered 13 years ago
I don’t know exactly why a passport is needed, but my friend did it and came to Kyiv from St. Petersburg specifically for this when he was applying for a residence permit. In Bortnichi-link above. They can apply for a passport only by the one who is given a passport, but you can pick up a ready-made one by proxy. His mother took his passport and sent DHL to St. Petersburg. Although, in a good way, documents cannot be sent across the border.
In addition, even purely logically, now we travel domestically, but if in half a year they say everything, only abroad, then this will be a problem for you. And further.
In the internal passport of a citizen of Ukraine, Russian passport officers cannot make any notes and stamps about the legal presence of your girlfriend in Russia. If I'm not mistaken, it is in the passport that such stamps are put. And in Russia, it is the passport that will be the identity document. Refine it. But in my opinion, this is exactly what Kostya, our friend, who left for St. Petersburg, explained to us.
In addition, even purely logically, now we travel domestically, but if in half a year they say everything, only abroad, then this will be a problem for you. And further.
In the internal passport of a citizen of Ukraine, Russian passport officers cannot make any notes and stamps about the legal presence of your girlfriend in Russia. If I'm not mistaken, it is in the passport that such stamps are put. And in Russia, it is the passport that will be the identity document. Refine it. But in my opinion, this is exactly what Kostya, our friend, who left for St. Petersburg, explained to us.
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answered 13 years ago
And I wouldn’t try to deregister yet, a lot of people in Ukraine wander without a place of residence (homeless people), the reasons are different, this is not a stone in your garden, but don’t rush. ) and an internal passport of Ukraine, because even marrying a foreigner is not forbidden, and all the nuances, when you need it, slowly sort it out and prepare a package with documents. make an extract, a statement is written "in connection with the departure" and that's it. The stamp is put in the internal passport, but it seems to me too early to do it.
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answered 13 years ago
In fact, deregistration is easy and not dangerous, especially if the house / apartment / part of it is privatized and belongs to the girl (ownership). She can register and leave as much as she likes in such housing. It simply will not be charged utility bills and that's it. Well, she will not be able to draw up a lot of documents in Ukraine without a residence permit (bank products, loans, social payments) and that’s it.
But, if he has the right of ownership, it costs nothing to register in the same place in a year, paying an administrative fine for violating the rules of registration. It used to be 17 UAH. All!
Another thing is what are the rules in Russia when obtaining permanent residence, because the girl will present a departure sheet in Russia and what will be required of her there, you need to find out there. Most likely, she will not be registered there, since she is not a Russian citizen. I will register, receive a residence permit, and then either get married or work, and even then, citizenship and a trip to Shchors to renounce citizenship.
Not now!
But, if he has the right of ownership, it costs nothing to register in the same place in a year, paying an administrative fine for violating the rules of registration. It used to be 17 UAH. All!
Another thing is what are the rules in Russia when obtaining permanent residence, because the girl will present a departure sheet in Russia and what will be required of her there, you need to find out there. Most likely, she will not be registered there, since she is not a Russian citizen. I will register, receive a residence permit, and then either get married or work, and even then, citizenship and a trip to Shchors to renounce citizenship.
Not now!
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answered 13 years ago
On the Legal site you were given an answer, if you missed, I quote- Answer:
As for registration-extraction - this is nonsense, or you misunderstood. What and how is right - it really needs a passport. Yes, you can just enter for informational purposes or for work internally, but to LIVE abroad you need a passport - this is a common rule of international law. The first step to citizenship - RVP - this is already RESIDENCE, a stamp about this is placed in the passport.
As for registration-extraction - this is nonsense, or you misunderstood. What and how is right - it really needs a passport. Yes, you can just enter for informational purposes or for work internally, but to LIVE abroad you need a passport - this is a common rule of international law. The first step to citizenship - RVP - this is already RESIDENCE, a stamp about this is placed in the passport.
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answered 13 years ago
Hello! Faced with a similar situation - moving from Kyiv to St. Petersburg to a guy. I want to ask you how did you solve your problem?
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answered 11 years ago
Good afternoon. I can't remember exactly everything - a year and a half has passed. And that "girl" has been my wife for a year now :)
The bottom line is:
Passport must be done for permanent residence (permanent residence). It will be in place of your internal passport. Need to sign out. When crossing the border (at the airport or train), they will issue a migration card. You will need to fill it out and upon arrival get on the migration register. That is, in fact, you remain a citizen of Ukraine. Then we made a patent for work here (we even signed an employment contract with her and I, as an individual, hired her as a houseworker ... since a migrant should be able to provide for himself and pay tax every three months for this patent of 3000 rubles.) Then we prepared documents for a TRP (temporary residence permit). Got it. Between all this, there was a bunch of translations of documents, translations certified by a notary (birth certificate, passport, certificate). it is better to make several copies. There were medical boards. Then, in theory, they could apply for a state program for obtaining citizenship for compatriots (there is a prerequisite that you were born in the USSR, that is, before the collapse of the union (until August 1991). But the state program has been suspended now and what will happen next
The bottom line is:
Passport must be done for permanent residence (permanent residence). It will be in place of your internal passport. Need to sign out. When crossing the border (at the airport or train), they will issue a migration card. You will need to fill it out and upon arrival get on the migration register. That is, in fact, you remain a citizen of Ukraine. Then we made a patent for work here (we even signed an employment contract with her and I, as an individual, hired her as a houseworker ... since a migrant should be able to provide for himself and pay tax every three months for this patent of 3000 rubles.) Then we prepared documents for a TRP (temporary residence permit). Got it. Between all this, there was a bunch of translations of documents, translations certified by a notary (birth certificate, passport, certificate). it is better to make several copies. There were medical boards. Then, in theory, they could apply for a state program for obtaining citizenship for compatriots (there is a prerequisite that you were born in the USSR, that is, before the collapse of the union (until August 1991). But the state program has been suspended now and what will happen next
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answered 11 years ago
not entirely clear. The State Duma voted in January to simplify the program. It is not necessary, most likely there will be a patent for work and maybe something else. But the law did not enter into force this year. We look forward to what will be there by the end of the summer. Well, my wife now lives as a citizen of Ukraine under the TRP, that is, absolutely legally.
And one more thing - make a certificate stating that you are not married and that you have no children, so that in case you want to get married - you do not have to fly back for a certificate.
And one more thing - make a certificate stating that you are not married and that you have no children, so that in case you want to get married - you do not have to fly back for a certificate.
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answered 11 years ago
Thank you!
I was faced with the fact that the quota for RVP for 2013 has ended. Have to wait until next year.
I was faced with the fact that the quota for RVP for 2013 has ended. Have to wait until next year.
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answered 11 years ago
and without a quota, citizens of Ukraine cannot apply for a temporary residence permit?
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answered 11 years ago
We are going to move to Yaroslavl, I was born there, my parents live there, I think there should be no problems with documents, but my husband has the other side, he was born and raised in Ukraine, and I don’t know how with the documents, but my parents and the apartment have already bought us in the residential complex Zeleny Bor, not cheap, and they helped with the work, they already found a place and agreed, we are very glad that we are moving to them, but I don’t know how to be
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answered 10 years ago
Let him travel with Ukrainian documents for now, then he will decide with the Russian immigration authorities. Moreover, there will be no problems with housing and work. You are going to your homeland, and he is your husband. Here dima.komar described something, read it, contact him in a personal (account)
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answered 10 years ago
How old are you and your husband? If you were born in the USSR (that is, before August 1991), then you can become a member of the state program for the resettlement of compatriots. And the husband, if he was born before the age of 91 - it does not matter on the territory of the present Russian Federation or Ukraine - then he was born in the USSR. In this case - you can follow this path (it is more simplified and faster) - or the path of the Residence Permit. In any case, you need to clarify the documents that will be needed in the FMS of Russia. My wife and I thought of everything so that she would no longer return to Ukraine for any papers (she made a passport to leave for permanent residence, checked out, took a certificate of no criminal record, a certificate stating that she was not married). In general, make a foreign passport, to leave for permanent residence, take certificates of no criminal record, sign out. When crossing the border (at the airport or on the train), you are given a migration card .. fill it out and upon arrival in Yaroslavl, get on the Migration Register. There will already be hints. There to receive a patent for work, a temporary residence permit, now exams are like for knowledge of the Russian language and history (they are very simple, I watched them). There will be nuances and medical examinations, but it's not scary.
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answered 10 years ago
I’ll recommend it right away - you will need to translate documents from Ukrainian into Russian .. only those who have a certificate or license can do this (I don’t remember, but the FMS will tell you). So - make translations in several copies at once. So much cheaper. You will already do all this in the Russian Federation. Just collect as many as possible any crusts, diplomas and awards .. then attach to the documents - it will not be superfluous. Now those wishing because of the well-known events has increased significantly.
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answered 10 years ago
Thank you very much, a lot of information!! Somehow we will think))
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answered 10 years ago
I moved to Yaroslavl. They took an apartment on a mortgage in Zeleny Bor - new buildings. It's okay for now. We hope that everything will be fine in the future. I myself am from Yaroslavl. Temporarily lived in Kyiv.
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answered 10 years ago
We are moving too, Finally! Tolko the issue with things has not yet been resolved. Who transported? We are moving from Ukraine to Russia.
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