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I'm 28, can I visit Moscow? What is needed for this? There are no relatives. Please advise
I'm 28, can I visit Moscow? What is needed for this? There are no relatives. Please advise
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if there is no reason for relatives, then only san-kur.treatment
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answered 4 years ago
kotovatatana027, why do you need to go to Moscow at all if there are no relatives? I'm doing a mini poll, I'll be grateful for the answer.
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answered 4 years ago
ollennka thought the same thing. Suddenly, everyone wanted to go to Russia for a tour....
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answered 4 years ago
Until the pandemic came, I didn’t even realize the scale of Ukrainian “tourism” to Russia.
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answered 4 years ago
“Until the pandemic came, I didn’t even realize the scale of Ukrainian “tourism” to Russia.”
- Before the pandemic, only from Kyiv to Moscow, several trains departed daily, plus 5-7 flights to 4 Moscow airports. Plus buses.
And how many were from other cities ...
Migration between Russia and Ukraine was the most active compared to other destinations from Ukraine.
- Before the pandemic, only from Kyiv to Moscow, several trains departed daily, plus 5-7 flights to 4 Moscow airports. Plus buses.
And how many were from other cities ...
Migration between Russia and Ukraine was the most active compared to other destinations from Ukraine.
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answered 4 years ago
ollennka, there are many things in the world, friend Horatio, that our wise men never dreamed of. We have a whole region migrated, and the second lives on suitcases. The pre-war movements were of a very different nature. "Fraternal peoples, common history, culture and economy". I have a cousin who lives in Tyumen with her family. Her son is in Ukraine. Only they did a dozen border crossings a year. And so it is in every second family in Ukraine. So that you won’t be surprised in five years, open your mind to current changes.
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answered 4 years ago
For current changes - what are they? I wrote about labor "tourism", not about migration back and forth to relatives.
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answered 4 years ago
We will assume that we do not understand each other. I didn’t understand that you were mimicking an investigator or a sociologist of the migration service of the Russian Federation and easily identified the tourism goals of those asking questions. Did you not notice that 9 out of 10 questions here on crossing the border of Ukraine and the Russian Federation contain the words "aunt, grandmother, girlfriend, etc." I'm just talking about these "current changes". And not only the border crossing regime.
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answered 4 years ago
prosto2000, in vain you are offended and nervous. Nobody suspects you of anything. I perfectly see when they write about relatives. I am curious, when there are no relatives, what are the motives for going to Russia. There are a lot of questions about how to get there without relatives.
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answered 4 years ago
ollennka ,
when there is no relatives, in most cases it is still labor ...
when there is no relatives, in most cases it is still labor ...
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answered 4 years ago
Strange, I wrote not about emotions, but about facts. I repeat - I have a sister in the Russian Federation. She and I visited each other regularly. Sister more often - she has a son here, parents, sister, well, me. Therefore, I perfectly imagine the structure of this flow. There was labor migration. According to my personal observations - no more than 10% of all those who move. Family ties, business trips, travel and only then labor - this is my rating. Perhaps, at the same time in the Russian Federation there were 50% of labor and 50% "other " from Ukraine. It’s just that the latter move more often, so there were significantly more of them in the general stream.
Today's questions are here - to the grandson, to the mother, to the brother, grandfather, girlfriend...
You can also talk about emotions. My dacha neighbor died near Debaltseve. A great kind young man.
The main labor migration has long been in Poland.
Today's questions are here - to the grandson, to the mother, to the brother, grandfather, girlfriend...
You can also talk about emotions. My dacha neighbor died near Debaltseve. A great kind young man.
The main labor migration has long been in Poland.
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answered 4 years ago
prosto2000, that's what I'm talking about. I also thought that the main labor migration to Poland, until this whole covid story began. Compare the number of questions about Poland and about Russia (not to relatives, but when just a carcass, even a stuffed one).
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answered 4 years ago
That's why I wrote above without any emotions"that you mimicked here as an investigator or a sociologist of the migration service of the Russian Federation and easily identified the goals of tourism asking questions."
I do not see significant labor migration to the Russian Federation in matters. I can quote the goals again - "to my grandson, to my mother, to my brother, grandfather, girlfriend" now these goals are already in yesterday's questions.
Topikaster is also a migrant? He wrote to you in a personal.
To understand the hidden labor motive, pay attention to how they ask questions here about Poland and the Baltics. They are fundamentally different from the questions on the Russian Federation. Or do you think that these are different psychotypes? A real investigator would immediately feel it. Such a mimicry.
I do not see significant labor migration to the Russian Federation in matters. I can quote the goals again - "to my grandson, to my mother, to my brother, grandfather, girlfriend" now these goals are already in yesterday's questions.
Topikaster is also a migrant? He wrote to you in a personal.
To understand the hidden labor motive, pay attention to how they ask questions here about Poland and the Baltics. They are fundamentally different from the questions on the Russian Federation. Or do you think that these are different psychotypes? A real investigator would immediately feel it. Such a mimicry.
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answered 4 years ago
As someone who currently lives with FMS under the window, I’ll be honest: there are a lot of ours. very. about half of the total number of Gasts.
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answered 4 years ago
if anything - I only speak for my city, we always had a lot of Ukrainians
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answered 4 years ago
YaSlavnaYa, you have "Canada" written.
If you are talking about the Russian Federation, then yes - there have always been a lot of ours. The oil production of the USSR was raised by the Ukrainians. My sister ended up in Tyumen that way.
During the formation of the oligarchic economy, classic Ukrainian guest workers went.
But for a long time now, seasonal agricultural work in Europe has been better. A small touch - Poland has opened mobile vaccination points at the border for those traveling to work from Ukraine. Come dear workers.
But there are much more human connections than labor ones. The migrant workers did not travel by airplanes or fast trains. Well, we almost didn't go. And how many there were in pre-war times.
If you are talking about the Russian Federation, then yes - there have always been a lot of ours. The oil production of the USSR was raised by the Ukrainians. My sister ended up in Tyumen that way.
During the formation of the oligarchic economy, classic Ukrainian guest workers went.
But for a long time now, seasonal agricultural work in Europe has been better. A small touch - Poland has opened mobile vaccination points at the border for those traveling to work from Ukraine. Come dear workers.
But there are much more human connections than labor ones. The migrant workers did not travel by airplanes or fast trains. Well, we almost didn't go. And how many there were in pre-war times.
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answered 4 years ago
simple2000,
yes, I'm talking about the Russian Federation. Canada appeared as an average between Kiev and Novy Urengoy)))
as the wife of a gasta with 25 years of experience and a former employee of the personnel department (albeit not for long), I can responsibly state that the oil production of the USSR rose throughout the USSR. yes, there were a lot of Ukrainians in percentage terms, since there were always a lot of Ukrainians by default. there are still a lot of people with a Ukrainian surname who consider themselves Russians, Belarusians, Gagauz, Moldovans - there was even one Ossetian ...)))
about planes and fast trains - you and my husband have just offended me a lot))). here's my word of honor: they never got to work either on trains or on dogs))). another question is that only the reserved seat and only the passenger paid for the road - but this was decided by the usual certificate from the railway cash desk
I will not argue with you where labor migrants go more - to the EU or to the Russian Federation, I do not know the numbers at the moment. it is easier to work in the Russian Federation due to the language and the common Slavic attitude to work and bosses)))
yes, I'm talking about the Russian Federation. Canada appeared as an average between Kiev and Novy Urengoy)))
as the wife of a gasta with 25 years of experience and a former employee of the personnel department (albeit not for long), I can responsibly state that the oil production of the USSR rose throughout the USSR. yes, there were a lot of Ukrainians in percentage terms, since there were always a lot of Ukrainians by default. there are still a lot of people with a Ukrainian surname who consider themselves Russians, Belarusians, Gagauz, Moldovans - there was even one Ossetian ...)))
about planes and fast trains - you and my husband have just offended me a lot))). here's my word of honor: they never got to work either on trains or on dogs))). another question is that only the reserved seat and only the passenger paid for the road - but this was decided by the usual certificate from the railway cash desk
I will not argue with you where labor migrants go more - to the EU or to the Russian Federation, I do not know the numbers at the moment. it is easier to work in the Russian Federation due to the language and the common Slavic attitude to work and bosses)))
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answered 4 years ago
YaSlavnaYa, I'm sorry, but you have several logical and conceptual errors.
"Gasta with 25 years of experience "-is a mistake in terms. Hence the misunderstanding of the modes of transport and empty insults against me. My sister has exactly the same fate as you. In her best years, she flew only by plane.
"a lot as a percentage "-although the percentage is relative, but in this case it must be compared with the percentage in the structure of the population of the USSR. The share of Ukrainians in Tyumen is three times MORE than their share in the national structure of the population of the USSR. There are villages where Ukrainians are more than 50%. Hence my conclusion. Builders, oilmen, helicopter pilots, drivers.
With a pan-Slavic attitude to work - you are already lagging behind our mental changes. Western Ukraine has never been like this. Central Ukraine has also changed. Children intensively study English and travel a lot with their parents. It is enough to look at the schedule of our main airport"Borispol".
"Gasta with 25 years of experience "-is a mistake in terms. Hence the misunderstanding of the modes of transport and empty insults against me. My sister has exactly the same fate as you. In her best years, she flew only by plane.
"a lot as a percentage "-although the percentage is relative, but in this case it must be compared with the percentage in the structure of the population of the USSR. The share of Ukrainians in Tyumen is three times MORE than their share in the national structure of the population of the USSR. There are villages where Ukrainians are more than 50%. Hence my conclusion. Builders, oilmen, helicopter pilots, drivers.
With a pan-Slavic attitude to work - you are already lagging behind our mental changes. Western Ukraine has never been like this. Central Ukraine has also changed. Children intensively study English and travel a lot with their parents. It is enough to look at the schedule of our main airport"Borispol".
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answered 4 years ago
prosto2000, you can recognize or not recognize the labor migration of Ukrainians to the Russian Federation, but it exists. I am not surprised by the fact of labor migration, I was surprised by the ratio, which I saw only after the pandemic. Before that, there was an impression that much more people were going to Poland, but this impression, apparently, is created because of the proportion. Against the background of 40 million people in Poland, a conditional million Ukrainians look much more noticeable than against the background of 140 million people in the Russian Federation.
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answered 4 years ago
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"error in terms" " what? a man went to work in the Russian Federation 28 years ago, after the collapse of the USSR, that is, to a foreign country, he worked as a shift at the RKS, lived at home, in Kyiv - is this not a guest worker? who then?
The share of Ukrainians in Tyumen does not mean the share throughout the North. there are fewer of us in NUR and Salekhard. and do not forget about our institute at the I-F, which trained specialists for the North in the USSR, where, by preference, national cadres were accepted
and, for that matter, in the Far East, for example, there are more Ukrainians in some settlements in%% than in some of ours, Ukrainian))). it happened
"... learn languages and travel - and be able to gracefully shirk work... this is a bit of a different opera. Everyone loves to work less and earn more. under my command there was a brigade from Ivano-Frankivsk region - and they worked no better than the brigade from Dagestan))))
I in no way belittle the merits of compatriots before the USSR. just trying to be objective
"error in terms" " what? a man went to work in the Russian Federation 28 years ago, after the collapse of the USSR, that is, to a foreign country, he worked as a shift at the RKS, lived at home, in Kyiv - is this not a guest worker? who then?
The share of Ukrainians in Tyumen does not mean the share throughout the North. there are fewer of us in NUR and Salekhard. and do not forget about our institute at the I-F, which trained specialists for the North in the USSR, where, by preference, national cadres were accepted
and, for that matter, in the Far East, for example, there are more Ukrainians in some settlements in%% than in some of ours, Ukrainian))). it happened
"... learn languages and travel - and be able to gracefully shirk work... this is a bit of a different opera. Everyone loves to work less and earn more. under my command there was a brigade from Ivano-Frankivsk region - and they worked no better than the brigade from Dagestan))))
I in no way belittle the merits of compatriots before the USSR. just trying to be objective
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answered 4 years ago
kotovatatana027 ,
I'm sorry that the topic was littered with you! (vacuuming with all his might)
I'm sorry that the topic was littered with you! (vacuuming with all his might)
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answered 4 years ago
Why are you apologizing.
First, ollennka started with a poll.
Secondly, we are not a help desk. We have a different motivation.
First, ollennka started with a poll.
Secondly, we are not a help desk. We have a different motivation.
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answered 4 years ago
For ollennka . Even without finishing the opinion poll, you immediately concluded"I did not even realize the scale of Ukrainian"tourism" and again returned to labor migration.
I have already quoted questions, I can quote today:
"I am a citizen of Ukraine with a residence permit in Greece, I am going with my son, a citizen of Ukraine and a citizen of Greece (2 passports) to visit my sister in Russia"
"My wife's mother is a citizen of the Russian Federation, lives in Moscow. Will they let us in together? And what documents are needed? We are not vaccinated."
"I'm from Ukraine. I live in Poland. I'm going to visit my mother and son in the Russian Federation. What documents do I need? Covid test, insurance? Even if I'm vaccinated".
"I am a citizen of Ukraine, my brother is seriously ill in Russia. What do I need to enter Russia in this case?"
"Will the citizens of Ukraine be allowed to the Russian Figure Skating Championship, which will be held in December in St. Petersburg? If all the tickets are in hand, return tickets home" and so on.
I have already quoted questions, I can quote today:
"I am a citizen of Ukraine with a residence permit in Greece, I am going with my son, a citizen of Ukraine and a citizen of Greece (2 passports) to visit my sister in Russia"
"My wife's mother is a citizen of the Russian Federation, lives in Moscow. Will they let us in together? And what documents are needed? We are not vaccinated."
"I'm from Ukraine. I live in Poland. I'm going to visit my mother and son in the Russian Federation. What documents do I need? Covid test, insurance? Even if I'm vaccinated".
"I am a citizen of Ukraine, my brother is seriously ill in Russia. What do I need to enter Russia in this case?"
"Will the citizens of Ukraine be allowed to the Russian Figure Skating Championship, which will be held in December in St. Petersburg? If all the tickets are in hand, return tickets home" and so on.
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answered 4 years ago
For YaSlavnaYa
"Gastarbeiter (German: Gastarbeiter; literally: guest-worker), in Russian - "Invited worker" - a term denoting a foreigner, or a resident of another state, working on a temporary basis."
28 years of shift work is not a TEMPORARY HIRE. This is a shift method of constant work.
Since Soviet times, the operating mode "a day in three" has been known. Days work - three go about their business. Usually these are security guards, storekeepers. This is also a permanent job.
"Gastarbeiter (German: Gastarbeiter; literally: guest-worker), in Russian - "Invited worker" - a term denoting a foreigner, or a resident of another state, working on a temporary basis."
28 years of shift work is not a TEMPORARY HIRE. This is a shift method of constant work.
Since Soviet times, the operating mode "a day in three" has been known. Days work - three go about their business. Usually these are security guards, storekeepers. This is also a permanent job.
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answered 4 years ago
Mental change is not how people work. How different teams work is qualification and motivation.
"Mental models are ideas, strategies, ways of understanding based on previous experience that exist in the mind of a person and guide his actions. Mental models are used to explain cause and effect, as well as give meaning to life experience. Mental models are natural and inherent in every person, beyond whether he realizes it or not. Mental models are not immutable."
Simply put, people have a different experience and opportunities.
"Mental models are ideas, strategies, ways of understanding based on previous experience that exist in the mind of a person and guide his actions. Mental models are used to explain cause and effect, as well as give meaning to life experience. Mental models are natural and inherent in every person, beyond whether he realizes it or not. Mental models are not immutable."
Simply put, people have a different experience and opportunities.
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answered 4 years ago
prosto2000, You somehow directly react violently. Well, there are guest workers and there is, this is good for macroeconomics.
And before that, I had conducted mini-opinion polls, for example, on the topic of who was going where or whether he had been ill with the corona.
And before that, I had conducted mini-opinion polls, for example, on the topic of who was going where or whether he had been ill with the corona.
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answered 4 years ago
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