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"refusal" in the old RFP
The Latvian consulate also requires to provide the "old" RFP, with an expired validity period, and in it the "refusal" of the Spaniards. They don’t accept passports with refusals. Is it possible to get a new RFP and “keep silent” that I had an old RFP at all. Rejected in 2002.
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Why on earth give the old RFP? These Latvian shooters have completely lost their minds. Do not give anything if you did not have Latvian visas before. The exchange of information between the consulates of the Schengen countries is not yet perfect, especially with such semi-European countries as Latvia.
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answered 12 years ago
Understood nothing.
1. With refusals of the passport, the following are not accepted for work:
your refusal is not valid, the statute of limitations has passed a long time ago, what does it have to do with it at all? Yes, and this passport is expired, you do not hand it over to work, but simply present it as reference documentation of the visas issued to you. And here it is not at all clear what it means to "get a new one"? Is it the third one? After all, you yourself wrote that the passport with the refusal has already expired, which means you already have a new passport .. well, it should be.
2. I strongly do not recommend keeping silent about anything. The Baltics do not love us like that every day, and I would not give them another reason to refuse. If the embassy requires an old passport, then you need to show it. The Schengen countries have a common base, and not following the requirements of the embassy may push them to check your data with the visa departments of the Schengen countries. They still know.
I really dislike the Lithuanian embassy, I deal with them regularly, but I try not to anger them and not set them against me. I'm sorry, what can I do? :-)
1. With refusals of the passport, the following are not accepted for work:
your refusal is not valid, the statute of limitations has passed a long time ago, what does it have to do with it at all? Yes, and this passport is expired, you do not hand it over to work, but simply present it as reference documentation of the visas issued to you. And here it is not at all clear what it means to "get a new one"? Is it the third one? After all, you yourself wrote that the passport with the refusal has already expired, which means you already have a new passport .. well, it should be.
2. I strongly do not recommend keeping silent about anything. The Baltics do not love us like that every day, and I would not give them another reason to refuse. If the embassy requires an old passport, then you need to show it. The Schengen countries have a common base, and not following the requirements of the embassy may push them to check your data with the visa departments of the Schengen countries. They still know.
I really dislike the Lithuanian embassy, I deal with them regularly, but I try not to anger them and not set them against me. I'm sorry, what can I do? :-)
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answered 12 years ago
I want to clarify
last year, when I was doing foreign travel for my parents, I saw a picture in Kyiv. when people came to make a new passport, and the old one was taken away from them. that is, they offered to cut out, for example, the necessary visas from it, or if all the pages in the old passport were filled out, then they cut off the cover and gave the old one in their hands, but again at will.
in connection with this question - can we say that there is no old passport.? or not.?
last year, when I was doing foreign travel for my parents, I saw a picture in Kyiv. when people came to make a new passport, and the old one was taken away from them. that is, they offered to cut out, for example, the necessary visas from it, or if all the pages in the old passport were filled out, then they cut off the cover and gave the old one in their hands, but again at will.
in connection with this question - can we say that there is no old passport.? or not.?
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answered 12 years ago
I also heard that the old one is being taken away. Even though we have it on hand. True, still Soviet, with a coat of arms :-)
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answered 12 years ago
Yes, old passports in Ukraine are usually taken away and new ones are issued (if you do not make a passport "by pull" through the office, but on your own in the usual way). I don't know about the "cut" visas, but my acquaintances who recently changed their passports made copies of the visas and attached them together with the new passport when applying to the embassy. So you can safely say that you don’t have the old “foreign” one - they took it away at OVIR :) By the way, the fact that you had another international passport will be recognized at the consulate by the stamp that is put in an ordinary civil passport when issuing a “foreign” .
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answered 12 years ago
In theory, when your international passport expired (10 years), then you must hand it over to the OVIR and you will be stamped in your Ukrainian passport about this.
In case the passport is lost/stolen, a certificate is taken from the police (for a long time, in time, you will have to write a lot of pieces of paper, or for 50-100 hryvnia they will issue a certificate without red tape).
No matter how, according to the law, you should not have an expired foreign passport in your hands at all, or hand it over or it is lost.
It's a theory!!!
The practice is this: if you make a passport for money, then they never take away the old one. If you want to get a second foreign passport, then in the same OVIR an application is written for the issuance of a second one and the first one remains too. Usually no one goes to hand over an old passport, a trifling violation, and no one is looking for "violators" who have not handed over an expired passport.
Therefore, the requirement to present an expired passport makes sense if your Ukrainian passport does not contain a mark that you have handed it over to the OVIR.
In case the passport is lost/stolen, a certificate is taken from the police (for a long time, in time, you will have to write a lot of pieces of paper, or for 50-100 hryvnia they will issue a certificate without red tape).
No matter how, according to the law, you should not have an expired foreign passport in your hands at all, or hand it over or it is lost.
It's a theory!!!
The practice is this: if you make a passport for money, then they never take away the old one. If you want to get a second foreign passport, then in the same OVIR an application is written for the issuance of a second one and the first one remains too. Usually no one goes to hand over an old passport, a trifling violation, and no one is looking for "violators" who have not handed over an expired passport.
Therefore, the requirement to present an expired passport makes sense if your Ukrainian passport does not contain a mark that you have handed it over to the OVIR.
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answered 12 years ago
But due to the fact that the requirement to present an old foreign passport and at the same time not to look at a Ukrainian passport is often found in consulates, it can be answered that when receiving a new passport, the old one was handed over.
You can xerify visas for THREE years (sometimes they ask you to indicate), but the refusal is ancient, you are not required to either xerify or present it.
Second, if you are asked about the refusal of a visa over the past few years, then you did not have them!
If they suddenly look into the Ukrainian passport and do not see the OVIR marks there about the surrender, then you can say, I don’t know why there are no marks, I handed over the passport or say that the national passport was replaced due to loss / damage and perhaps the mark was not transferred. Etc.
Such situations in our super-bureaucratic country-sea.
But still it seems to me that you are applying through a travel agency. You brought them an old passport (apparently, after the refusal of a visa, why else would you drag this passport?), And the representative of the company received information from the management like, we don’t take work refusals)))
Usually this applies to a valid passport, no one shows the previous travel agencies ;-)
In short, the consulates take into work any existing foreign countries!
You can xerify visas for THREE years (sometimes they ask you to indicate), but the refusal is ancient, you are not required to either xerify or present it.
Second, if you are asked about the refusal of a visa over the past few years, then you did not have them!
If they suddenly look into the Ukrainian passport and do not see the OVIR marks there about the surrender, then you can say, I don’t know why there are no marks, I handed over the passport or say that the national passport was replaced due to loss / damage and perhaps the mark was not transferred. Etc.
Such situations in our super-bureaucratic country-sea.
But still it seems to me that you are applying through a travel agency. You brought them an old passport (apparently, after the refusal of a visa, why else would you drag this passport?), And the representative of the company received information from the management like, we don’t take work refusals)))
Usually this applies to a valid passport, no one shows the previous travel agencies ;-)
In short, the consulates take into work any existing foreign countries!
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answered 12 years ago
If the "Latvian consulate requires you to provide the" old "ZP" - you should not have it on hand in principle! True, there should be an OVIR mark on the delivery.
If your travel agency says that "the Latvian consulate requires you to provide the "old" RFP as well," then say that you have handed it over to the OVIR. And specify why you are asked to break the laws ;-)
If your travel agency says that "the Latvian consulate requires you to provide the "old" RFP as well," then say that you have handed it over to the OVIR. And specify why you are asked to break the laws ;-)
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answered 12 years ago
By the way, the Latvian consulate in Kyiv does not require the old RFP, but asks to present the "internal" passport with copies of all pages.
http://www.mfa.gov.lv/ua/ukraine/tourism/torist-visa/
http://www.mfa.gov.lv/ua/ukraine/tourism/torist-visa/
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answered 12 years ago
maybe you meant to provide copies of the pages of the old RFP? and not the old RFP itself?))
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answered 12 years ago
Let's do it! I am an honest citizen, after the expiration of the term I carry and hand over my old foreign passport, they make a new one for me. There is no requirement to photocopy an old passport. So I hand it over and do not xer. Then, after half a year, I decide that Latvia (France, Germany, etc.) is my everything, I want to go! I come, and they tell me, bring photocopies of all your old foreign passports ... Yes, yes, the very ones that you handed over to the OVIR and, thanks to your telepathic properties, guessed to photocopy them before handing over.
Do you think there is logic?
Do you think there is logic?
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answered 12 years ago
no, of course))) in embassies often insanity borders on stupidity))))
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answered 12 years ago
To demand a photocopy or to be abroad from the doorway is a little crazy.
It can be submitted if you have it of your own free will.
Or, if there is an interview (!), Then you may well be asked if there were any refusals for Schengen in principle (and not in the last year, two, five) and you say no, you will be asked, but could you provide Your old passport is foreign, because in your Ukrainian passport there is a mark on its receipt, but there is no mark that you have handed it over. And they will listen to your explanation of the situation.
Such a development is theoretically possible, but this is an unlikely scenario for the development of the situation. Package tourists are rarely subjected to such interviews, but such questions and clarifications when applying for long-term visas are, yes, possible.
And then, in order to hollow out ancient refusals, you need to doubt something and continue to try to find documentary evidence for your doubts.
Only the "experienced" xerify old passports if they are full of visas. Most of those who don't drive often don't xerify anything.
It can be submitted if you have it of your own free will.
Or, if there is an interview (!), Then you may well be asked if there were any refusals for Schengen in principle (and not in the last year, two, five) and you say no, you will be asked, but could you provide Your old passport is foreign, because in your Ukrainian passport there is a mark on its receipt, but there is no mark that you have handed it over. And they will listen to your explanation of the situation.
Such a development is theoretically possible, but this is an unlikely scenario for the development of the situation. Package tourists are rarely subjected to such interviews, but such questions and clarifications when applying for long-term visas are, yes, possible.
And then, in order to hollow out ancient refusals, you need to doubt something and continue to try to find documentary evidence for your doubts.
Only the "experienced" xerify old passports if they are full of visas. Most of those who don't drive often don't xerify anything.
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answered 12 years ago
I think that the topicaster consulted with a travel agency that presented his personal requirements as the requirement of the consulate.
LaFifa above gave a link to a package of documents-requirements about expired foreign passports in the general list. Ask to explain where the old passport is, if there are no marks on surrender, they have the right.
LaFifa above gave a link to a package of documents-requirements about expired foreign passports in the general list. Ask to explain where the old passport is, if there are no marks on surrender, they have the right.
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answered 12 years ago
Viltis, it says "Photocopy of passport, all pages with previous visas and stamps of entry and exit." Nowhere is it written that you need an old PA. From my own experience: photocopies of a VALID passport were submitted, no one was interested in previous passports. Copies of visas from the old passport are usually submitted if you submit a blank passport, but this is at the request of the applicant.
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answered 12 years ago