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It's a shame to tears !!! We are from Belarus, my son is a Catholic believer, I have long dreamed of visiting holy places, and now I decided to go there for the Easter celebrations from Friday to Monday, I prepared for a long time, saved money (so that you understand here in Belarus working youth earns simply ridiculous money), developed a plan where to go, what to visit. Naturally there was a return ticket and paid hotel and insurance and cash money!! And so he sits there, I don’t know under what conditions during the biggest holiday for believers ((when they will be sent back is also unknown ... Sorry for the emotions .. it just hurts my soul .. I read here that customs officers are good psychologists! And? Where are they skills?? What kind of conversation are they having?? It’s all his fault that he’s young? Since he’s young, it means you’re going to work? Sorry for the rhetorical questions. I wanted to ask this. Knowing his son, he still won’t back down if they turned around once Does it make sense to try again? Or is it already a stigma? Maybe there is some kind of time limit?
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These questions have been discussed so many times! It all depends on the print they will deliver. Where is he sitting ?, is it already known for sure that they will not let him in?
Let him go to Rome, to the Vatican, after all, they themselves wrote that he was a Catholic and it was much easier to get in)
Let him go to Rome, to the Vatican, after all, they themselves wrote that he was a Catholic and it was much easier to get in)
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answered 6 years ago
I don’t know where he’s sitting, at the airport, I probably only wrote “mom, don’t worry, I don’t know when they send him back, they say a lot of people.” But he was in the Vatican, these are completely different things ((
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answered 6 years ago
Are there holy places for a Catholic only in Israel?
Why go to a country where border services can humiliate you on a national basis?! I do not understand.
Why go to a country where border services can humiliate you on a national basis?! I do not understand.
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answered 6 years ago
It also seems to me that it was the border guards who turned, and not the customs officers.
If a son is a true believer, he must understand what God's providence and humility are, and not break through a closed door. So, it’s just not time for him to go to Israel, let him travel to other holy places for 3-5 years, during which time the salary will become bigger, and life experience will increase. And if during this period he does not lose interest in Israel, then it will be possible to go again. No one puts a life-long stigma, if a person has not committed anything illegal, in a few years they may well let them in.
If a son is a true believer, he must understand what God's providence and humility are, and not break through a closed door. So, it’s just not time for him to go to Israel, let him travel to other holy places for 3-5 years, during which time the salary will become bigger, and life experience will increase. And if during this period he does not lose interest in Israel, then it will be possible to go again. No one puts a life-long stigma, if a person has not committed anything illegal, in a few years they may well let them in.
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answered 6 years ago
God does NOT live in man-made temples... the Apostle Paul said ;)
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answered 6 years ago
Here is an excerpt from the list of sins:
"Distrust of God. This sin is expressed in the lack of confidence that the primary cause of all external and internal life circumstances is the Lord, who wishes us true good."
So let's trust God and don't worry. And don't worry too much.
"Distrust of God. This sin is expressed in the lack of confidence that the primary cause of all external and internal life circumstances is the Lord, who wishes us true good."
So let's trust God and don't worry. And don't worry too much.
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answered 6 years ago
Better, of course, with a group was to go. Catholics certainly organize tours. Even if I would travel alone from Belarus, but in Israel there is an organized group with organizers renting a hotel, etc. We went with a friend, also young. It was not easy, but we missed it and saw holy places. I tell here https://youtu.be/CcJv1hRmCcw in detail about this. I would try again, but after a while and always as part of a group. This is also not a guarantee, but still. And, of course, it all depends on what kind of seal they put. Well, maybe they’ll let you through if at the airport. So it can also be, they can hold and miss many hours.
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answered 6 years ago
I went on my own to save money. Yes, tours are organized at the church, but there the price is 2.5 times more (the amount is very biting ((. I wrote that they seem to be sent back tomorrow.
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answered 6 years ago
karri0504, I'm not going to resolve your specific situation. BUT!!!! I often meet tourists from Belarus, including young ones. I think that your son could not convince the border guards that the purpose of the visit was pilgrimage. Surely he knew what places he wanted to visit and he had a specific program for every day. If this program with visits to specific places had been brought to the attention of the migration service, then the result would have been different. And if he told us, like you, a Catholic .. Easter ... he prepared for a long time ... This is not convincing for a person arriving with a specific purpose. He had to answer questions specific where, when and why.
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answered 6 years ago
Thanks for the answer. The plan was more than specific in writing in the diary, almost to the minute, starting from the airport, what rides and for how much. I, unfortunately, do not know the details of what was asked there and how. He's still there
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answered 6 years ago
I feel guilty that I didn’t bother to go to the forums before the trip and read what and how, what difficulties and nuances there are. It’s not a fact that I would, of course, have been able to convince my son, but still ... suddenly I would have listened ...
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answered 6 years ago
Israel is not a country where people go on their own, only if there are reinforced concrete grounds: relatives, friends with confirmation of the host, etc.
Whining about the fact that you really want to see the shrines alone will not work.
Next time he will go with a pilgrimage group, then everything will be fine.
Miser pays twice.
Whining about the fact that you really want to see the shrines alone will not work.
Next time he will go with a pilgrimage group, then everything will be fine.
Miser pays twice.
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answered 6 years ago
From my experience, traveling with a group is cheaper. And those whose goal is not to earn money organize tours even cheaper. Therefore, the difference of 2.5 times confused in the answer in comparison with an independent tour ... Look for more options. It is clear that not now, but after some time.
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answered 6 years ago
Thanks to catalina777 for the answer, you may have in your country in a group and cheaper. Which, in principle, is more logical. But! Believe me, our country is also very specific, and the logic is largely absent. We learned about the cost of pilgrimage tours in the Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant parishes and the price is the same everywhere! And it is many times higher than a self-organized tour. It's the same story with travel agencies. Our advanced people have not used their services for a long time, and everyone travels on their own. Maybe, of course, we have not studied the topic enough. But who knew that Israel, as commented above, is not the country where they go on their own!
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answered 6 years ago
We bought a tour not in Ukraine. In an organization that makes international tours (they themselves are in Russia). We traveled from Ukraine, the main team was from Russia and Kazakhstan, our first year there were also participants from other countries. The organizers just have different goals. The organization itself helps Jews to go to Israel and helps others to see Israel. They say they don't make money on this, and judging by the price and saturation of the tour, I believe in it. There are a lot of videos from Israel on my channel, all this was in the program. I would advise, but the tour is for Protestants. Look not only in Belarus. But, of course, over time. You need to pause for sure.
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answered 6 years ago
karri0504
My children, who flew to Israel with good intentions, after talking with "good psychologists", lost several tens of thousands of rubles from their bank cards, and, probably seeing that it was not difficult at all, the "good psychologists" subsequently tried to withdraw another 90 thousand . Representatives of several countries took part and provided assistance in the investigation of the loss of money and violation of the freedom of movement of my children by Israel, and only after that the money was returned to the account, and the Jews were brought to clean water. The problem is that they steal without embarrassment at the official level, being sure that they will not get anything for it. They believe that they will not be punished even for the basest deeds, and therefore they behave like animals. And all this is not just. This state of mind needs to be nurtured and nurtured. But it's okay, you need to see the positive everywhere. The conclusion is made, and for my family, my friends and me, the Jews will forever remain immoral creatures, rummaging through other people's pockets.
My children, who flew to Israel with good intentions, after talking with "good psychologists", lost several tens of thousands of rubles from their bank cards, and, probably seeing that it was not difficult at all, the "good psychologists" subsequently tried to withdraw another 90 thousand . Representatives of several countries took part and provided assistance in the investigation of the loss of money and violation of the freedom of movement of my children by Israel, and only after that the money was returned to the account, and the Jews were brought to clean water. The problem is that they steal without embarrassment at the official level, being sure that they will not get anything for it. They believe that they will not be punished even for the basest deeds, and therefore they behave like animals. And all this is not just. This state of mind needs to be nurtured and nurtured. But it's okay, you need to see the positive everywhere. The conclusion is made, and for my family, my friends and me, the Jews will forever remain immoral creatures, rummaging through other people's pockets.
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answered 6 years ago
I don't believe that the Jews withdrew money from your children's cards, but it just can't be.
He presses his children, they deceive you.
And yes, now I'm sure that it was not for nothing that your son was turned at the border)))
He presses his children, they deceive you.
And yes, now I'm sure that it was not for nothing that your son was turned at the border)))
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answered 6 years ago
Sigur62, please see the post about the stolen money from the cards is not mine!!!!
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answered 6 years ago
Alias_Motto, all anti-Semites, like chauvinists and the like, are immoral creatures, but Jews are just the nationality of PEOPLE
Your desk book, isn't mine camph by any chance?
Your desk book, isn't mine camph by any chance?
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answered 6 years ago
catalina777
Yes, they stole 45 thousand rubles, and after that they tried to steal another 90 thousand. I already wrote that the money was returned to the card after an investigation, including by the cardholder's bank and the airline.
Yes, they stole 45 thousand rubles, and after that they tried to steal another 90 thousand. I already wrote that the money was returned to the card after an investigation, including by the cardholder's bank and the airline.
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answered 6 years ago
sigur62
If you contacted me and read my message inattentively, then I can clarify for you that the Jews tried to deceive my children, and not my children deceive me, and I don’t really care what you believe there and what you don’t believe.
If you contacted me and read my message inattentively, then I can clarify for you that the Jews tried to deceive my children, and not my children deceive me, and I don’t really care what you believe there and what you don’t believe.
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answered 6 years ago
karri0504
Of course, I sympathize with you and your son, but I'm afraid that everything is not so simple for you. If you are sure that your son is a good person and did not plan anything illegal in Israel, and he was not allowed into the country without reason, then you will have to appeal against the actions of the Israeli representatives, since the reason why he was not allowed in will probably be documented. Otherwise, you will have to agree with the slander against your son, and from a decent person, he can turn into a person who arrived in Israel in order to violate the rules of stay in the country.
Of course, I sympathize with you and your son, but I'm afraid that everything is not so simple for you. If you are sure that your son is a good person and did not plan anything illegal in Israel, and he was not allowed into the country without reason, then you will have to appeal against the actions of the Israeli representatives, since the reason why he was not allowed in will probably be documented. Otherwise, you will have to agree with the slander against your son, and from a decent person, he can turn into a person who arrived in Israel in order to violate the rules of stay in the country.
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answered 6 years ago
AllOverTheWorld
What makes you think I'm an anti-Semite? It is unlikely, although I do not know what you mean by this concept? I’ll clarify for you, although I did this before, but perhaps you haven’t read it. Immoral beings, I consider the modern Jews of Israel, almost all. For the simple reason that my children were bullied by Israeli officials. The border is not your private shop. The Jews of America, for example, and other countries, I consider good people. And I also believe that the modern Jews of Israel have nothing to do with those poor Jews who were exterminated by the Nazis. Modern Israeli Jews, as for me, parasitize on the memory of their compatriots. And I would recommend that you watch your language in the future, and not mention Mein Kampf, otherwise I can remember about you and your mother.
What makes you think I'm an anti-Semite? It is unlikely, although I do not know what you mean by this concept? I’ll clarify for you, although I did this before, but perhaps you haven’t read it. Immoral beings, I consider the modern Jews of Israel, almost all. For the simple reason that my children were bullied by Israeli officials. The border is not your private shop. The Jews of America, for example, and other countries, I consider good people. And I also believe that the modern Jews of Israel have nothing to do with those poor Jews who were exterminated by the Nazis. Modern Israeli Jews, as for me, parasitize on the memory of their compatriots. And I would recommend that you watch your language in the future, and not mention Mein Kampf, otherwise I can remember about you and your mother.
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answered 6 years ago
Sigur62,AllOverTheWorl.... I recommend just not stepping on this pile of shit.. I think that there are several such individuals on the forum who, under different "nicknames", write various nasty things about my people and my country. It's a pity that the truth gives them a platform ... At the beginning of the 20th century, such scum tried to fabricate the Beilis case. Allegedly, Jews use the blood of Orthodox children for ritual purposes ..... One hundred years have passed and
the virus of nationalism, fascism and anti-Semitism has not been killed ... They did not find a vaccine against it .. But the carriers of the virus should know that the state of affairs has changed ... and today the Jews have a strong Israel. And Israel SHOOTS to kill, so do not poke your nose at the Holy Land and tell your children this ....
the virus of nationalism, fascism and anti-Semitism has not been killed ... They did not find a vaccine against it .. But the carriers of the virus should know that the state of affairs has changed ... and today the Jews have a strong Israel. And Israel SHOOTS to kill, so do not poke your nose at the Holy Land and tell your children this ....
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answered 6 years ago
Misha, well said.
I have been to Israel four times and now I love and respect this industrious people who cultivated gardens in the rocky desert.
The Jews there will always help and never deceive. We were escorted home to the hotel by random passers-by, two smiling young Jewish women with rifles))), when we got lost, and in the shops they helped to choose wine and snacks tastier and cheaper (so that the Arabs didn’t throw us)))
And further. Jews in Russia and Jews from Israel are two big differences, as the Jews themselves say.
I have been to Israel four times and now I love and respect this industrious people who cultivated gardens in the rocky desert.
The Jews there will always help and never deceive. We were escorted home to the hotel by random passers-by, two smiling young Jewish women with rifles))), when we got lost, and in the shops they helped to choose wine and snacks tastier and cheaper (so that the Arabs didn’t throw us)))
And further. Jews in Russia and Jews from Israel are two big differences, as the Jews themselves say.
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answered 6 years ago
mishatour
Yes, here you did not guess, unless of course you meant me. Somehow very veiled). If you meant me, then catch me: a bunch of shit are the official representatives of Israel who robbed my children, especially and without hiding this and the dregs of society who protect them. And the problem for people like you is that, besides me, several more authoritative organizations in at least three countries think so, which conducted an official investigation for almost two months and revealed the thieves' scum. So people like you have no right to talk about anti-Semitism and classify themselves as normal Jews, and especially those unfortunate ones who were destroyed by Hitler. You are rather the descendants of the Judenrat administration workers who were Jews and killed their compatriots. And in vain you boast of your name. If you have a name, you have no name, no honor, no dignity! In short, the Jews are so honest that after my children were robbed, they didn't even believe it.)
Yes, here you did not guess, unless of course you meant me. Somehow very veiled). If you meant me, then catch me: a bunch of shit are the official representatives of Israel who robbed my children, especially and without hiding this and the dregs of society who protect them. And the problem for people like you is that, besides me, several more authoritative organizations in at least three countries think so, which conducted an official investigation for almost two months and revealed the thieves' scum. So people like you have no right to talk about anti-Semitism and classify themselves as normal Jews, and especially those unfortunate ones who were destroyed by Hitler. You are rather the descendants of the Judenrat administration workers who were Jews and killed their compatriots. And in vain you boast of your name. If you have a name, you have no name, no honor, no dignity! In short, the Jews are so honest that after my children were robbed, they didn't even believe it.)
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answered 6 years ago
All this crying is for nothing. Mom according to her son, blah blah blah.
how it really happened, we don't know. It is quite possible that he went to work, under the guise of a Catholic pilgrim, so that it would be easier to miss.
how it really happened, we don't know. It is quite possible that he went to work, under the guise of a Catholic pilgrim, so that it would be easier to miss.
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