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I was deported from Israel right at the border. Went at the invitation of a friend
All the documents were on hand: a valid passport, an invitation from a friend and his documents, a return ticket, medical insurance, a rental agreement. An employee of the border service argued my ban on entry by saying that the invitation had to be certified by the Ministry of Internal Affairs. But when my friend went there, he was told that nothing needs to be certified, because. she is a citizen of the Russian Federation, it is enough just to write in free form, without any stamps. Also in the document addressed to the captain of the plane, it was written that I had previously violated some law in Israel and worked illegally. But this is impossible, because it was my first trip. As far as I know, they should have just sent me home, without this stamp in my passport. What now? Change the surname, patronymic, and accordingly the passport? Will they miss it then? I wrote letters to the relevant authorities in Israel and to the Moscow embassy, I am waiting for a response. But this is all some kind of absurdity, why Article 12 was attributed to me, it’s not clear ... Tell me, how best to do it?
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somehow you are already painfully aware of the articles, procedures and everything else, although you say that this is your first trip.
And since we agree to change the surname and patronymic!!! then it’s obviously not just going to visit a friend, why cheat?
And what kind of letter is addressed to the captain of the plane?
And since we agree to change the surname and patronymic!!! then it’s obviously not just going to visit a friend, why cheat?
And what kind of letter is addressed to the captain of the plane?
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answered 6 years ago
botayeva_aida, the border guard has the right to make the final decision whether to let a person into the country or not. And it has the right not to let in even a white and fluffy tourist without any violations. Surrendered to you this Israel? Meet a friend in Jordan or Egypt.
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answered 6 years ago
Israeli services are now extremely severe. They may not let you in just like that, for a fictitious reason. You can change everything, even have a plastic surgery, but even the Israeli consulate in Moscow cannot guarantee that you will be let through. Everything is decided by the border guards.
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answered 6 years ago
maybe change the gender ... or then there is absolutely no point in going there)?
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answered 6 years ago
ser_____Witness77, then her boyfriend should also change sex, so to speak, for harmony. :))
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answered 6 years ago
travelsita, then just a friend!;) I made an invitation, but I live at my place;) the author had to rent a house!, there is even a contract!
so many gestures for the sake of "just visiting a friend"
so many gestures for the sake of "just visiting a friend"
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answered 6 years ago
Judging by the photo - a young lady traveling alone - you immediately fall into the risk group of those who did not pass the border, and judging by your awareness and such a wild desire (to change passport data) to get to Israel, here on the forum tourists made "correct conclusions about the purpose of the trip", and what about the Israeli border guards, who look through with an experienced look, and even before talking with a person, they know by 70% whether they will let you in or not.
Threat And if you are caught replacing passport data, then I think there will be a lifetime ban, IMHO.
Threat And if you are caught replacing passport data, then I think there will be a lifetime ban, IMHO.
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answered 6 years ago
Naturally, the groom = friend. What conclusions can be drawn from the purpose of the trip?
Let me give you an example regarding my relative. Every year she travels (on her own!) to Israel to visit her cousin. But, she is 66 years old, divorced. Traveling at the invitation of a relative. Everything is always smooth.
Let me give you an example regarding my relative. Every year she travels (on her own!) to Israel to visit her cousin. But, she is 66 years old, divorced. Traveling at the invitation of a relative. Everything is always smooth.
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answered 6 years ago
Of course, I am aware now, upon arrival home, my mother and I found out everything, consulted with a lawyer, wrote a letter to both the embassy in Moscow and the Israeli Ministry of Internal Affairs. We are waiting for an answer, is there anything else we can do? Before the trip, I did not know all these nuances, because. They were sure that I would calmly enter the country. The only thing, before departure, I read on the Internet that young singles can be taken as girls selling their bodies. As for my friend, yes, we have been dating for over a year. He went to Israel because was born there. I had no plans to stay there illegally, because then he would have problems because of this. I purposefully went to rest and at least stay with him for a little while, after which I would return home in due time, and there he would return after some time. But that's not the point. And the fact that it was attributed to me 12 articles. How else can you complain? Really nobody faced it?
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answered 6 years ago
As for the last name and patronymic, I just want to know. After all, I still have to change my passport, because I want to visit other countries so that there are no unnecessary questions. After all, I couldn’t say that I was going to the guy, they are strict with this. Moreover, how do they know what kind of relationship we really have? I had to rip it off. But even this lie did not help me. Yes, perhaps we would have left to marry in another country, but everything would be legal. Yes, I did not burn with the desire to go to Israel, you are right, you can have a good rest in another country. But, unfortunately, a friend was born there???? Once again I will say the purpose of my trip was exclusively rest and meeting with the martyr, no more.
By the way, there were 15 deportees on the return plane. The woman, who was traveling on a tour package, was also turned around. They explained this by the fact that she was simply born in Ukraine, although she is a citizen of the Russian Federation. Like this :( It's a shame for the money and nerves spent.
And here is a document addressed to the captain, which states that I violated the law in Israel.
By the way, there were 15 deportees on the return plane. The woman, who was traveling on a tour package, was also turned around. They explained this by the fact that she was simply born in Ukraine, although she is a citizen of the Russian Federation. Like this :( It's a shame for the money and nerves spent.
And here is a document addressed to the captain, which states that I violated the law in Israel.
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answered 6 years ago
I was hoping to see useful tips here, and not some remarks and ridicule. Thanks to all. May God bless you and your loved ones not to face such a situation.
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answered 6 years ago
This is not ridicule. We have been on this site for a very long time and often tease each other. Don't be offended. This is a site for relaxation. Good luck !
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answered 6 years ago
You're still lucky that you reasoned the answer. Usually they do not say at all for what reason the refusal. :-)
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answered 6 years ago
"Had to rip it off." - here is the answer to all your questions, the border guards of Israel, and not only Israel, these are not the people who can lie, even if it seems to you that they do not know - they definitely know about your relationship and the purpose of the trip, even if you do not have any accounts in social networks where he is your friend, you do not have popular instant messengers through which you write messages to each other, and even if you communicate through other people's phone numbers and accounts, they know.
What useful advice can be given to a person who thinks he can easily lie to border guard officers?
What useful advice can be given to a person who thinks he can easily lie to border guard officers?
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answered 6 years ago
I am not saying that it is easy to lie to them. But how would they know? Purely psychologically if you somehow calculate my lies. Mch said not to tell them about our relationship, to say, they say, friends since childhood, I did just that. Do you think it's worth telling the truth? Then the probability that they would not let me in would be 100%, because immediately there are thoughts that I will stay to live with him. In general, the plans were just to see each other, spend time together, because. then I would not have such an opportunity to come because of work and study. Well, I won't see you for a long time.
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answered 6 years ago
Israeli border guards are subtle psychologists. They ask, at first glance, stupid questions. In fact, they check if you are lying in your answers.
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answered 6 years ago
You see, you already say that you lied.
So your MCH is not saying something !, at the border they told you right:
According to the procedure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, an Israeli citizen can invite his wife / partner to Israel only by filling out an invitation form at the nearest office of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. (from an official source)
What is your MCH status in Israel?
You refer to the Israeli Law on Entry (I just found it on the Internet, it just became interesting as a lawyer), and so paragraph 12 does not specifically say that you did not work legally in Israel, but simply lists the reasons for the refusal, including:
!!!!! Giving false information in order to obtain for yourself or another person an Israeli entry visa or residence permit!!!!!!
I don’t know who you consulted there and why you weren’t explained this. Therefore, your indignation is not clear about paragraph 12, as I understand it, when denied entry or deportation, they refer to it.
So your MCH is not saying something !, at the border they told you right:
According to the procedure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, an Israeli citizen can invite his wife / partner to Israel only by filling out an invitation form at the nearest office of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. (from an official source)
What is your MCH status in Israel?
You refer to the Israeli Law on Entry (I just found it on the Internet, it just became interesting as a lawyer), and so paragraph 12 does not specifically say that you did not work legally in Israel, but simply lists the reasons for the refusal, including:
!!!!! Giving false information in order to obtain for yourself or another person an Israeli entry visa or residence permit!!!!!!
I don’t know who you consulted there and why you weren’t explained this. Therefore, your indignation is not clear about paragraph 12, as I understand it, when denied entry or deportation, they refer to it.
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answered 6 years ago
the document you received does not state the reason, but simply says that according to the laws of Israel you are denied entry, so the captain of the ship must take you out. as far as I understand, this is not deportation, but a ban on entry into the country for a year (if I understood everything correctly, a period of one year refers specifically to a ban on entry)
Your travel ban is not deportation. What stamp is on your passport?, black or red?
Your travel ban is not deportation. What stamp is on your passport?, black or red?
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answered 6 years ago
AllOverTheWorld, thanks for the extensive response. Mch citizen of Israel, was born there. When he went to the notary, he was told the invitation did not need to be certified for citizens of the Russian Federation, so they simply wrote it in free form. With regards to item 12, thanks for clarifying. Now everything became clear. But still, we will submit a request to the Ministry of Internal Affairs to lift the ban and allow entry. I hope for a positive response.
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answered 6 years ago
Do you, your mom, lawyer and your MCH understand the difference between deportation and denial of entry?
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answered 6 years ago
Let your MCH be sure to ask for clarification or consult with Israeli lawyers about the refusal!Again, a ban on entry and a denial of entry are also different concepts!
Good luck!
So what color is the stamp in the passport? and what is written on it (is it written in English or only in local?)
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answered 6 years ago
Well! simply denied entry!
Please write later if I understood correctly that the refusal to enter the country for a year!
Please write later if I understood correctly that the refusal to enter the country for a year!
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answered 6 years ago
Many thanks again! Yes, I will definitely unsubscribe as soon as the answer comes from the embassy and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. All the best to you, help :)
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answered 6 years ago
botayeva_aida, your deeds are bad. If you came to the tour forum with such a purely personal question, your friend should have taken care of permission from the Israeli Ministry of Internal Affairs. Didn't he know this??? Look for the answer from him and only from him ... If a true friend finds a solution to this issue ... And to teach you to tell tales at the border ... Send him first ... to a lawyer. ..and then look where to send it next ..
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Posted here to hear people's opinions. Maybe someone was in a similar situation and found a way out) No, he did not know this. There is no such information on the Internet. He also went to a notary, where he was told that the invitation did not need to be certified, it was enough to write it by hand without any seals, because. I am a citizen of the Russian Federation. On the day of my arrival, just a couple of hours later, he immediately invited a lawyer, but unfortunately, I flew back after 2 hours. So we did not have time to solve everything at once, and now the lawyer is dealing with this issue for a considerable amount. It remains only to wait. I just want to say that this trip was very important for me, I was waiting for it for 4 months, we carefully prepared for this, we found out everything, there was not even a thought that they could send me back. And now, I'm upset, and yet I really want to see him, because next year I won't have such an opportunity because of work and study. Actually, I planned to meet him before all this. Please don't judge us :)
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I was deported on December 17, 2019 upon arrival in Eilat, the reason was not announced, I am 52, I am too old for work and confused, although they announced twice that I look great. Of course I was upset, I wanted to bask in the sun for four days and see a beautiful country. They held them for a long time, they were tediously questioned, they rummaged through the phone, it’s even funny. We were put on a plane ✈️ and sent to Tel Aviv, where, leaving the plane, a car with bars was already waiting for us and took us to the emigration prison. They took everyone away, allowed me to leave only medicine, gave tea and sandwiches, gave me a disposable sheet, a toilet was in the cell and a shower. I don’t remember without laughing, there is only one conclusion ☝️ in any country because of fools, normal people suffer and Israel is no exception.
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answered 5 years ago