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Who was denied a visa to France? Cancellation procedure.
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Refused to get a visa. All necessary documents were 100% prepared correctly and provided in full. At the same time, there are already three Schangens in the passport, the salary is high, the job is stable and the position is high. Has anyone gone through the cancellation procedure at the French Consulate in Kyiv and submitted documents again.
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аватар Cherni
I was once refused, despite the fact that there were plenty of visas too. When they accepted the documents, they immediately put a stamp in my passport, on which it was supposed to stick a visa, and with it it was clear that I had a refusal.
After some time, I again submitted the documents, and I received a visa without any questions.
So don't worry, all is not lost!
аватар farewell
And "after some time, she again submitted documents" is how soon?
I already have a hotel booked for the 20th of November and air tickets. The refusal was received today, is it possible to collect all the documents and re-send them, say tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.
аватар Cherni
I can't tell you for sure, but I would try.
аватар SHIFTY2003
As far as I remember from my experience with a Schengen waiver (not France), you can reapply documents after 3 (it seems) months. And in order to get a visa in such a short time (you have less than a month before departure), it is apparently possible only in case of a successful appeal.
аватар farewell
Well, in fact, an appeal is six months to a year for consideration. The fact is that the documents were not submitted personally, but through a travel agency. France (as well as Germany, Latvia, Lithuania and a number of other countries) puts a refusal without explanation. There is also a "cancellation" procedure, which involves a personal appeal to the embassy. And if the refusal is canceled, then you can reapply.
What country refused you and the reason?
аватар SHIFTY2003
Greece. Lack of documents (although they were all + additional documents, and submitted in the proper form). When I asked what kind of docks we were talking about, the consul nodded at the standard list and slammed the door (the one that was demolished for rudeness).
Sympathetic consular officials advised to come with a lawyer.
In my case, a piece of paper was issued with the specified reason for the refusal.
The agency did not advise you on how best to be in this situation?
аватар DegusT
in fact, the refusal is put absolutely from the ceiling ... why sit and draw up documents, if you can ... drink juice at this time? This is how they work in these settlements (this is first-hand info) They slapped a refusal and business ... Do not despair. In my experience: I submitted all the necessary documents to the Swedish, there are no problems and no people either. A week later they called back and said that I had a refusal. I didn't ask why... (this is the main mistake in most cases). who will tell you? they don’t know themselves, they won’t answer that they drank juice, it’s a bummer to deal with you. I asked to be connected to the Consul, to my surprise, he picked up the phone and said, if you want, write your explanation why you need this trip, bring it and submit it again (I didn’t pick up the document). I was taken aback, but I wrote, moreover, my Swedes did the same (faxed the consul), it is clear that my visit to Sweden is not ... After 2 days - a message: come, you have been given a visa, go to health.
Are you sure that your company is reliable? with good documents, only frequent trips to Europe can confuse them. Although, you need to indicate that you are spending a lot of money there - it helps. And if you are traveling by car, is it not a problem to apply to another embassy? In Slovak, for example..
аватар farewell
Unfortunately, the agency does not know what to do in such a situation. So now I'm trying to get some information from the Internet.
аватар SHIFTY2003
Did you call the consulate itself with a question about the cancellation procedure?
Will the travel agency refund the money for the tour if something happens?
аватар DegusT
Often, the agency does not advise, there is such a problem as the personal relationship of the director of the agency and the meeting company with the consul. Even if you were not given a visa, the agency will cut down its commission, they warn about this everywhere: there is no responsibility for the visa on the part of the company. I also received a physical after France sent a request, convincing me that I was not an immigrant. They gave me 100 - a day, but I survived - a month, I ran away.
The rudeness of the Greek is justified. Unfortunately, in most cases, citizens from the Maley family also behave boorishly. It’s just that they returned, but mother didn’t expect it, she raised a scandal. Both daughters work as journalists: one is the boss of a tourist gloss, the other is a newspaper clerk. It explains everything. There is such a feature - visa refusal is often for self-booked hotels or cheap accommodation.
аватар farewell
to safsaf My refusal is also, most likely, "from the ceiling." The purpose of the trip is tourism, for 7 days in a 4 * hotel, a bank statement was provided on the availability of funds + all other documents are in order. The only way out is a personal communication with the consul. For a "personal appointment" at the French Consulate they charge 60 UAH. + re-submission of all documents (translation into English or French) + 45 euros consular fee.
аватар farewell
The consulate does not provide any information over the phone. Only by appointment in person. The travel agency had only an advance payment, so I think they should return it. But I still hope to get a visa. I am absolutely sure that there was an absolute order with the docks and there were no grounds for refusal.
аватар DegusT
Ah so clearly, that with ceiling. They may still have some quotas. It's better if you're French-speaking, like me - then sometimes it works. A personal conversation with the consul is somehow cheap, well, maybe you need to take a chance. I advise you to demand a discount for the trip from your operators, let them go to a meeting. After all, they lay 10% of the agency ones. Write letters on the topic, how long have you dreamed of getting to this city (what is it ??), how much history you have read, how long you have been planning a trip, now there is time, you have finally postponed all very important things ..... etc. d. in this spirit. And according to the presentation film of the French tourism office, you chose France for your trip, although your friends advised you to England and even Switzerland (this is a red rag for them). If you want, I'll give you a phone number. French Tourist Office
аватар farewell
to safsaf I don't know French (I don't know how critical it is in person), I can speak English. From tel. I will not refuse - thanks for the advice.
аватар SHIFTY2003
to safsaf - rudeness is not justified in any way. The Consul is not a market woman in a trolleybus. I have experienced his attitude towards people. While being as polite as possible. The hotel was good, out of the expensive.
to farewell - try it, you still have time. There is value in personal acceptance. Good luck to you!
аватар DegusT
rudeness is not a quality for a diplomat, in that case it may be justified, there it coincided! Yes, they say that this is his manner. Well, God be with him. Farewell needs help. Here are the tourist offices, find a suitable one and write, as I taught, in the last line about what the consul is preventing. http://www.france-guide.ru/catalogue/sites-sur-la-france/003.htm, House of France in Moscow, also works for Ukraine +74955102531, fax 7750845 respectively. Ask Tatyana Kulikova or Christian Kergal right away. You need to use all possible contacts, you are not asking for money, but are going to spend yours..
аватар Lanka-Lanochka
My tourists about 5 years ago, during their first visit to Europe through France, they were refused. SAFSAF rights - it is worth applying again with an emphasis on a sincere desire to see the country of your dreams (this was the case with my tours - we went abroad for the first time to celebrate our silver wedding anniversary).
I was desperate about this and wrote to the consul asking for a reconsideration - in French.
It looks like it was an average failure - perhaps the 1st trip abroad. Although everything was absolutely reliable with the docks.
Our appeal was accepted for consideration - and the refusal was annulled, calling the applicants for a personal conversation (but they didn’t even talk :) Together with us, the t / operator was fussing about reviewing the case.
But participation in the consideration of the appeal of the Tourist Office of France can really help if you are absolutely convinced that the refusal is average (something confused the visa officer, so he refused (... Mr. Kergal is an expert in tourism and can understand the essence of the problem (loss tour, disappointment, etc.)
аватар HotLine
I'll add a little more.
1. If the French consulate does not cancel your refusal, then it will be very difficult for you to prove something in the consulates of other Schengen countries. Those. you have to deal with this rejection. Otherwise, you will have problems with Schengen in the coming years.
2. We had a similar precedent with the Greek Consulate last year. The docks were re-submitted in two weeks (there were no restrictions on the re-submission period). They issued a visa without personal visits of the consul. For them, the second filing itself is a fact that they need to be more attentive to the docks. True, we strengthened the documents with several certificates, worked very seriously with the operator (the director of the operator himself wanted to correct the situation) and the visa manager of this operator accredited at the consulate entered the docks with the appropriate arguments - the documents are normal, the tourist is sure that this is a mistake, he will insist on reviewing decisions in all the following instances.
All this, of course, works if everything is fine with your documents and with previous trips (violation of the visa regime - terms, countries of entry and exit, etc.)
аватар DegusT
Well, I'm glad, girls, that the whole world has rallied. I really don’t want us (those who have a Ukrainian passport) to be kicked like this in our country, and even some petty officials. From the fact that some Jean is picking up his nose and is not even going to delve into the working process, our people are losing their nerves, time and money for having even planned to start spending their money on France (in this case). Yes, of course they are under stress there, that a person needs to collect a ton of papers to enter their country, and they, the poor, even have a look. transfers and queues. Moreover, the officer, without delving into your questions, will still receive a salary, like he worked. Such humiliation for their own money! In general, this is advice for everyone: do not allow yourself to be kicked, knock, call, fax wherever you can. Faxon Kergal to Moscow, ask for his petition, tell him that he is in Kyiv for a tour. you met him at the exhibition and he personally offered to visit France in ... your case. He won't even remember (of course), but a lot of money was spent on promotion, and the treasury must be replenished from tourists.
Good luck and let me know how it goes...
аватар DegusT
And a little more:
everywhere you say that you have been going to France for a long time, you want to spend money on a wonderful and famous French. cuisine, a lot of purchases of famous companies, you want to visit famous monuments and spend money on excursions. Your next vacation is not soon, you need to have time to do it in the near future.
аватар Lanka-Lanochka
Yes perishing, council on glory! Expert advice on dealing with objections ... consulates )) I keep my fingers crossed that our recommendations will benefit the cause. Yes, France is worth it!
аватар Tet.A_sv
On the forum this summer there was a post by a tourist who was denied a visa by the French, they applied either through Artex, or through Inkomar, I don’t remember exactly.
We collected papers on a new one, filed the docks ourselves!, got a visa and went on a tour.
аватар saliani
everything is beautiful, girls! You definitely love frogs. I will add, if you eat with kids, be sure to shout about Disneyland! Wow it helps!
аватар farewell
To everyone who is interested in the end of the story with obtaining a French visa - THE VISA IS ISSUED :)))
Of course, it was VERY hard to get it. I don’t know what this is connected with, but the French consulate now refuses a lot of people. The visa officer, by the way, a Frenchman, who personally submitted the documents (and the documents are absolutely identical to those that were submitted for the first time, not a single additional certificate) very carefully examined the certificate of ownership of housing, asked to present the original payment cards, etc. And, finally , after 20 minutes of conversation and another 10 minutes of waiting - he issued a visa with the proviso "After returning from France, you must come to the French Consulate and present a voucher for accommodation at the hotel with a note that you really lived there, as well as boarding passes for the plane." Here is such nonsense.
аватар farewell
And one more thing, advice to those who may be in the same situation in the future.
If you are 100% sure that the refusal to issue a visa is not justified, always resubmit the documents and preferably in person.
If your passport was returned and there is one stamp with the date (it is put by the French when receiving documents for a visa) - this is not yet a refusal. And, therefore, there are many chances to receive a visa when re-applying. But if there are two stamps in the passport - the second one with the letters A B C D and the numbers 1 2 3 - this is already worse, but also not fatal. The letters are the type of visa (all short-term tourist visas are C), the numbers are the reason for the refusal. If the numbers 2 or 3 are underlined, this means that there are shortcomings in the docs or they want to see you personally. If 1 is underlined - problems in the host country, etc. This, as you understand, is the worst option.
The French do not understand what it means to annul a refusal. For them, canceling a denial is simply sticking a visa stamp over the denial stamp.
Therefore, if you have a C-1 refusal, you can be put on a "three-month quarantine", after which you have the right on a general basis to try again to get this ill-fated visa.
аватар SHIFTY2003
Congratulations! You are well done! It is very pleasant that you still manage to defend your right to travel to Europe.
Tell me, did you sign up for a re-submission of documents or for a personal appointment?
Have you taken advantage of the support of the House of France?
аватар DegusT
Well, thank God! Congratulations! Once again I am convinced that a certain Jean simply shifted your documents from the "accepted" pile to the "rejected" pile. After returning, I advise you to send documents by mail, although this is an excess of authority and humiliation of us! I wonder how you tell the hotel to make a note on the voucher .... they basically do not understand that we are in such an idiotic position. If you are still going to France, in principle, you will probably have to report back. If not, spit. And I advise you to save your boarding passes for crediting miles to an accumulative card from the airline! By the way, for the most part, the French are just such perverts, lovers of inventing difficulties for others (non-French), including neighbors in the European Union. Well, now you still have the strength to go through passport control back and forth. There may also be surprises and non-standard questions. GOOD LUCK!
аватар Fiona23
I was at the French embassy, ​​I have been going for a visa for 2 months, I constantly bring some documents. Today they said that the consul did not make a decision on my visa and that he would call me back on my mobile phone. I ask for a visa for work, the partner company invites. The clerk who conducted the interview to my request to call the consul refused. I, all on emotions, was rude to him and said "moron". Now I sit and think what to do? Has anyone been in this situation? please tell me. Thanks
аватар Lanka-Lanochka
Well, you can understand, but rudeness is generally a vile thing. I think you need to insist on an appointment with the consul, backing it up with a letter from a partner company addressed to him - why your visit is important (business development, exchange of experience, etc.). Our TV group / program AT THE FIRST LOOK by Olga Kontlitskaya / had a refusal (the case was 7 years ago, the reason was that they doubted the authenticity of the fax from the receiving party). Because the group was invited by the administration of the Brittany region, and the trip plan was approved and scheduled for the next broadcast, we appealed the decision to refuse, and the invitees backed up our repeated appeal by fax - and the consul decided to issue visas. Politeness and faith in success are your assistants. Dare!
аватар tanika1881
I have 4 French visas in my passport for 3 years, one for 3 months for the purpose of a business trip, the second for 3 months tourist for 90 days, the third tourist for a month, and the last tourist for half a year .. there are no other visas .. yesterday a refusal came (although the travel history is positive , always returned. They don’t tell the reason and they say even if I write with a request to establish the reason for the refusal, they won’t answer, because they don’t have to .. the problem is that my fiancé lives in France and we will have a child and we need to legitimize the relationship as soon as possible. does it make sense to apply to the French consulate again, only now, for example, not for a tour visa, but at his invitation? or will it make the situation even worse? maybe try to get a Finnish visa or a Polish one? or insist on French and play openly? or will it piss them off and they will understand that I've never been a tourist there?
a personal meeting with the consul is not allowed (
I don't know how to resolve this situation
I'm afraid to get a second refusal on a French visa and not have time to reunite with my father before the birth of the child.
Can you please tell me what can be done in such a situation?
thank you in advance)
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