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what documents confirm the purchase of a bus tour
какие документы мне даст тур фирма если я закажу у них тур
и имеют ли право забирать загран паспорта во время тура руководители тура
как заполнить декларацию в Польше
первый раз еду в Аккорд париж Амстердам зажог и привлек *автобусом *
и имеют ли право забирать загран паспорта во время тура руководители тура
как заполнить декларацию в Польше
первый раз еду в Аккорд париж Амстердам зажог и привлек *автобусом *
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when booking, you sign a letter that you agree that the manager will have your passport during the trip.
When booking you will be given a contract, a check. In 2-3 days - an information sheet with a description of your tour, bus number, guide's phone number, etc.
You tell us which train you are arriving in Lviv and you will be met by an Accord representative near the carriage and taken to the bus.
Documents will be given to you only when crossing the border.
When booking you will be given a contract, a check. In 2-3 days - an information sheet with a description of your tour, bus number, guide's phone number, etc.
You tell us which train you are arriving in Lviv and you will be met by an Accord representative near the carriage and taken to the bus.
Documents will be given to you only when crossing the border.
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answered 13 years ago
I want to add: when boarding the bus, you will be given a photocopy of the 1st page of your passport and current visa, the tour program (once again, just in case) and insurance
Can you be more specific about which declaration? I do not advise taking gold, diamonds and too much money with you)) As well as high-heeled shoes, elegant wrinkled clothes and a lot of cosmetics)))
Can you be more specific about which declaration? I do not advise taking gold, diamonds and too much money with you)) As well as high-heeled shoes, elegant wrinkled clothes and a lot of cosmetics)))
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HAVE REST! Explain, what is the motivation that the leader of the group should have passports (crossing the border by a group or what)? For example, I'm not used to giving documents, especially a passport to anyone. In principle, this is illegal! I would like to know the reasons!
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For alex45! No one has the right to seize our passports, except for the police of the host country. But, since the tour is a group tour, and visas at the embassy were opened for the whole group (without personal submission of documents), we must enter and leave as a whole group, without loss. As a rule, many firms have accreditation in embassies, which is not so easy to obtain.
If at least 1 person was lost, remained, i.e. did not return, then the concept of a group tour is violated.
Therefore, in order to protect themselves from such troubles, travel agencies confiscate passports after crossing the border. And without a passport, we can't run anywhere. Travel agency employees understand that they are breaking the law to some extent, but this is almost the only method of controlling disobedient tourists who want to stay abroad forever.
If at least 1 person was lost, remained, i.e. did not return, then the concept of a group tour is violated.
Therefore, in order to protect themselves from such troubles, travel agencies confiscate passports after crossing the border. And without a passport, we can't run anywhere. Travel agency employees understand that they are breaking the law to some extent, but this is almost the only method of controlling disobedient tourists who want to stay abroad forever.
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It is against the law to entrust a passport to third parties, it is written on the flyleaf in Ukrainian. passports! All agreements on this subject from travel agencies are a violation of the law !!! and self-righteousness.
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For marylsk and HAVE_REST: to protect yourself - find a loophole in the law, grossly violating it is also not an endless occupation! And those who want to stay abroad, by entering the country, author. the tour does not count on Ukrainian at all. passport (who needs it ... with an expired visa?). Those who need to flee will flee without paying attention to the group, the guide, or the passport...
Such your measures - kindergarten!
Such your measures - kindergarten!
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answered 13 years ago
for safsaf, I didn’t understand something, what are the claims against me?
the tourist asked about what documents confirm the purchase of the bus driver, I answered.
What loopholes and violations of the law are you writing so hysterically about?
I don't care whether the tourist will give his passport or not and whether the tour operator will take it or not.
My job is to prepare the documents for the tour so that the person gets what he paid for, and the operator accepts the documents in the form that suits him.
I will not prove anything to the operator, and if the tourist does not agree that the manager will have his passport, then he simply will not pay for it. And that's it. No self-activity.
If he wants to travel with a passport - no problem, visas are opened for individual citizens. He will arrange everything himself and be satisfied.
Your advice to look for is not clear what, I do not need loopholes and the like. I didn't ask him. So thanks - don't wait.
the tourist asked about what documents confirm the purchase of the bus driver, I answered.
What loopholes and violations of the law are you writing so hysterically about?
I don't care whether the tourist will give his passport or not and whether the tour operator will take it or not.
My job is to prepare the documents for the tour so that the person gets what he paid for, and the operator accepts the documents in the form that suits him.
I will not prove anything to the operator, and if the tourist does not agree that the manager will have his passport, then he simply will not pay for it. And that's it. No self-activity.
If he wants to travel with a passport - no problem, visas are opened for individual citizens. He will arrange everything himself and be satisfied.
Your advice to look for is not clear what, I do not need loopholes and the like. I didn't ask him. So thanks - don't wait.
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It’s interesting, though, sorry for curiosity, why does an ordinary TOURIST who goes on a bus tour to see the world for relatively little money need a passport in his hands ??? What is he going to do with it?
I know it's a dumb question, but still?
I know it's a dumb question, but still?
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In fact, an ordinary tourist does not need a passport or money. Only a nipple in his mouth and a nanny in the form of a guide, and a bus so that it does not break!
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no complaints! there are comments! If you don't care if the guide takes your passport, then why are you participating in the forum? The main thing for you is to cut down the loot (prepare documents for the tour so that the person gets what he paid for), but the fact that your company is next, or the one where you transfer the client behaves illegally - you don’t care! This is so clear. "When booking, you sign a letter that you agree that the leader will have a passport during the trip" - is there something in the Law of Ukr. on this occasion? What is the new type of doc, letter? Here you are every time casting a shadow on the wattle fence with the design of docks, with deadlines, with their transfer at the airport, etc. . . . consider it completely normal and do not even think that these are violations !!! Oh my god, where do they get these shots??? Any Ukrainian crossing the border must be with his passport. . . Tourist or non-tourist, with or without a group. It's none of your business, does a tourist need a passport? The guide or the leader of the group took it for any interesting reason - that's it, the law is violated. Well, they do not have the authority to take away passports, no matter what they "hide behind" !!! Well, what else is not clear ??? By the way, I have never been in such an idiotic situation! Try to take it from me!!
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to lents: Tourist with a passport - gr. Ukraine, staying outside its territory. The question is: why do strangers who do not have authority need a pile of other people's passports ??? It seems that their business is to acquaint the client with the country, and not to control anything.
Can you imagine a group of French or Poles entering Ukraine and staying here without passports... the guide collected them... in his bag:))) How do you like this turn?
Can you imagine a group of French or Poles entering Ukraine and staying here without passports... the guide collected them... in his bag:))) How do you like this turn?
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answered 13 years ago
My friends went on a bus tour of Europe, including France, but, however, citizens of the Russian Federation. No one took anything from anyone, passports were on hand during the entire tour! Interesting :/...
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It’s not very interesting, but our TAs have it like that (what if something didn’t work out!), A person unknowingly fell behind, and he only has a copy of the first page of his passport, I can imagine the situation in the country where he stayed. But he has a letter, where he allows you to pick up your passport. What next? Look for the Ukrainian consulate! Therefore, pacifier and don't leave the guide with your passport. Cool!!!
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here you are, safsaf, again confusing the sinful with the righteous. I already told you - if you want to participate in the forum - do not go beyond the scope of the question.
What does my earnings have to do with it, which you so romantically, in the spirit of the 90s, call "cutting the loot", and where did you pick up such words :)))))
In fact: The tourist asked, I answered him, in fact. Legal or not - let him decide for himself, he comes to me for quite practical information, if he considers it illegal, then to solve his doubts there are other people who call themselves lawyers and "cut the loot" (using your terminology) precisely for the decision (or clarification) of these questions, let them transfer the dispute to another plane.
What does my earnings have to do with it, which you so romantically, in the spirit of the 90s, call "cutting the loot", and where did you pick up such words :)))))
In fact: The tourist asked, I answered him, in fact. Legal or not - let him decide for himself, he comes to me for quite practical information, if he considers it illegal, then to solve his doubts there are other people who call themselves lawyers and "cut the loot" (using your terminology) precisely for the decision (or clarification) of these questions, let them transfer the dispute to another plane.
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about the "nipple-nannies", I can only give a very real example:
tour "Bongiorno, Italy" (Accord), departure 30.04.2011. The first major city on the way is Prague. The tourist needed her documents (she was not going to run anywhere, she just needed them). The operator, of course, gave them to her without further questions. In the evening she came with tears and hysteria - her documents were stolen from her - her passport and money. Along with a bag. She did not go anywhere else, with a certificate she returned to Ukraine. Tourists who entrusted their passports to the accompanying person successfully completed the entire route according to the plan. I know this for sure, because there were tourists with me, they told me about this incident.
tour "Bongiorno, Italy" (Accord), departure 30.04.2011. The first major city on the way is Prague. The tourist needed her documents (she was not going to run anywhere, she just needed them). The operator, of course, gave them to her without further questions. In the evening she came with tears and hysteria - her documents were stolen from her - her passport and money. Along with a bag. She did not go anywhere else, with a certificate she returned to Ukraine. Tourists who entrusted their passports to the accompanying person successfully completed the entire route according to the plan. I know this for sure, because there were tourists with me, they told me about this incident.
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So you don’t explain well that they are stealing! They steal everywhere, this is not an indicator of the need to collect passports, I liked the explanation more - so that tourists would not run away and then there would be no problems at the consulate. And I can give a real example - I was in Italy on my own, they could not steal anything, they registered on an American liner they immediately returned the passports, adding the liner's guest card, and it replaces everything on the ship, and they went to all the cities of the cruise with it. You insure yourself, it's more honest!
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HAVE REST! What kind of words "do not go beyond the scope of the question", etc. If you did not find other motives that something would be stolen from tourists, this is not convincing to me. Are you traveling with the pioneers? A person must answer for himself, therefore, nipples and nannies, I put it correctly.
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and to whom and what needs to be explained? something is not clear
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Well, actually, I asked a question, I'm interested. If it's difficult, answer - I don't want to answer you, not within the framework of the forum.
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And HAVE_REST is usually not well understood... Well, that's not surprising... not a qualified worker, one should avoid such, and especially not trust documents. Well, a person does not understand the question, and the second and third, well, how can one continue to explain something? And such words were picked up in the 90s ... 20 years have passed, but the meaning has remained the same.
Nonsense about theft... the usual excuse. This (considering the above) company is interested in signing a letter with a tourist in order to voluntarily and free of charge protect passports outside the homeland. This is the kind of scam! Well, not so free of charge, as practice shows ... In fact, it depends on the company, no one has ever asked me for a passport ...
Nonsense about theft... the usual excuse. This (considering the above) company is interested in signing a letter with a tourist in order to voluntarily and free of charge protect passports outside the homeland. This is the kind of scam! Well, not so free of charge, as practice shows ... In fact, it depends on the company, no one has ever asked me for a passport ...
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do not go beyond the question - it did not apply to you. So you can relax, but it meant only that the tourist asked what documents confirm the purchase of the tour - I explained, but he (the tourist) did not ask about the legality of the operator's condition that his documents would be with the accompanying person. And as soon as I said this, I was directly condemned and executed for all the sins of mankind :)))) this is what it is - to move away from the essence of the issue. I repeat - the question was not about legality, but about formal documents. And something tells me that the HARDWARE has long received a lottvet on this question. And you are still protesting here :))))))))
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Have Rest: "With a certificate she returned to Ukraine" - as I understand it, she was issued a certificate of return to her homeland at the Embassy of Ukraine in the Czech Republic?
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no, she was given some kind of certificate that her passport was lost, so that she could cross the border without a passport. Of course, before that, they checked when she received a visa and how long this visa was valid. Otherwise it would be deportation.
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but I didn’t get into such situations, my tourists who were with her on tour told me so
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Any embassy (not only Ukrainian) issues to its citizen (citizenship is verified by a number of personal data) a document stating that the passport is lost and the citizen returns directly to his country with this document. This document is called Laissez-Passer/Emergency passports.
Yes, a person working in his direct duties with documents, as we understand, calls Laissez-Passer "some kind of certificate." I never cease to be amazed by the "professionalism"!
My God, leave the forum, do not speak out if you are not competent!
Yes, a person working in his direct duties with documents, as we understand, calls Laissez-Passer "some kind of certificate." I never cease to be amazed by the "professionalism"!
My God, leave the forum, do not speak out if you are not competent!
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answered 13 years ago
safsaf, well, I already said that I don’t need your advice.
I did not receive such documents for my tourists either, thank God they were not issued. Apparently, such documents are received by those tourists who want to keep their passport exclusively in their bag, and with the loss of it, they are looking for the document you specified.
so, your advice, what is the name of the certificate - let them, me and my tourists do not need it.
I did not receive such documents for my tourists either, thank God they were not issued. Apparently, such documents are received by those tourists who want to keep their passport exclusively in their bag, and with the loss of it, they are looking for the document you specified.
so, your advice, what is the name of the certificate - let them, me and my tourists do not need it.
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Oh well! What self-conceit, no words! This is a site only for your tourists! God forbid that your guide suddenly loses all his passports. What will you need then?
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HAVE_REST If I were you, I would not initially voice your involvement in the tourism industry)) they dug their own grave. it’s good that they didn’t voice the name of their “office”))) they would have lost tourists.
this is not how much to offend and offend you, this is a statement of fact!
this is not how much to offend and offend you, this is a statement of fact!
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about travel documents. signed contract + receipts of payment for the tour. plus the passport is returned. as mentioned above, the guide has no right to keep the passport. and he must be deeply do not care whether the "tourist fool" lost his passport or not. there is a LAW. but they are afraid that the tourist will remain illegally in the country meaninglessly))) if he wants to, he will remain with a second passport, or without it at all. there would be a desire.
insurance is usually done by a group, and is kept by the guide. anyway, in 90% of the tours it's a "filkin's letter" :) you have to do it yourself.
insurance is usually done by a group, and is kept by the guide. anyway, in 90% of the tours it's a "filkin's letter" :) you have to do it yourself.
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And yet no one answered - why a passport ???
I traveled from the Czech Republic without any passports to Austria and France. I visited all the sights. Went to museums. Met foreigners))) What kind of psychosis about passports??? What is the reason for such an insane desire to go everywhere with a passport? Where are the origins? If you don’t want to, fly on your own, open a visa yourself, what’s the problem? The answer to the studio! Why do you need a passport anyway? What do you want to do there? ;)
I traveled from the Czech Republic without any passports to Austria and France. I visited all the sights. Went to museums. Met foreigners))) What kind of psychosis about passports??? What is the reason for such an insane desire to go everywhere with a passport? Where are the origins? If you don’t want to, fly on your own, open a visa yourself, what’s the problem? The answer to the studio! Why do you need a passport anyway? What do you want to do there? ;)
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