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Why not do a breakdown of 10 days? Considering that JointUp robbed for two days - there was zilch left from a weekly vacation (minus Cairo)
Why not do a breakdown of 10 days? Considering that JointUp robbed for two days - there was zilch left from a weekly vacation (minus Cairo)
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Join up and Anex have tours to this hotel, there are tours for 7 nights and 8,9,10 nights.
I suppose "I robbed for two days" this is an inconvenient time for the departure of a charter or a delay in flights, but all airlines that work with maintenance under the charter program have an inconvenient time.
Join up has tours with Turkish airlines, choose how many days you need and a convenient departure time with one of the best airlines in the world and travel with pleasure.
If you took an excursion to Cairo, you probably understood how far from Sharm to Cairo, or thought that the excursion would take several hours and after the excursion you would have time to sunbathe on the beach)))
I suppose "I robbed for two days" this is an inconvenient time for the departure of a charter or a delay in flights, but all airlines that work with maintenance under the charter program have an inconvenient time.
Join up has tours with Turkish airlines, choose how many days you need and a convenient departure time with one of the best airlines in the world and travel with pleasure.
If you took an excursion to Cairo, you probably understood how far from Sharm to Cairo, or thought that the excursion would take several hours and after the excursion you would have time to sunbathe on the beach)))
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answered 5 years ago
Take 14 nights, 10 times was not enough. I don’t even want to comment on the “stealing” of rest days due to transfers of charters: I don’t like charters for three kopecks - fly more expensive regular flights. Well, either there are air excursions to Cairo, keep within a day.
There are no unsolvable problems. There are cheap solutions.
There are no unsolvable problems. There are cheap solutions.
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answered 5 years ago
I already see this as a deal. Something very often began to abuse the transfer of charters. In June, I flew to Antalya ... the day was also stolen.
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answered 5 years ago
The agreement would make sense if travel agencies would receive some benefit from it.
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answered 5 years ago
ollennka, maybe so. And how do you look at the fact that from hotels in Kemer (Golden Lotus center) they began to pick up at the airport already 5 hours before departure (they used to pick up for 4, or even less), and then they pickle at the airport, postponing the flight. You arrive at the airport, and there it turns out that the flight has not yet departed for Antalya. But the whole cycle in time (flight, airfield maintenance of the aircraft, landing of passengers) is known. Why pick up tourists from the hotel for 5 hours, when the time of arrival of the plane is also unknown? I see a deliberate action - to take a tourist to the hotel as late as possible (should arrive in the morning, for breakfast, but they bring him at night, after dinner), and push him out of the hotel as early as possible (5 hours before departure, although it is already known .. already in advance, that the flight will be delayed for a very long time.).
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answered 5 years ago
"5 hours before departure, although it is already known .. already in advance that the flight will be delayed"
Transfers to/from the airport are scheduled the night before and all delays are known to the day. The bus that takes tourists on a delayed flight to Kharkiv will meet tourists from Yekaterinburg who arrived on time in 40 minutes. The schedule is almost back-to-back, not only our own buses are involved, but also those rented from other companies. In the season, one bus makes up to four Kemer-Antalya-Kemer walkers per day. The tour operator will not break the schedule, it is too expensive.
Unfortunately, nothing personal, just business.
Transfers to/from the airport are scheduled the night before and all delays are known to the day. The bus that takes tourists on a delayed flight to Kharkiv will meet tourists from Yekaterinburg who arrived on time in 40 minutes. The schedule is almost back-to-back, not only our own buses are involved, but also those rented from other companies. In the season, one bus makes up to four Kemer-Antalya-Kemer walkers per day. The tour operator will not break the schedule, it is too expensive.
Unfortunately, nothing personal, just business.
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answered 5 years ago
There is a benefit, this is savings for maintenance on transfers, for example, around Bodrum, 5-7 years ago there were transfers from each area to the airport, and even from the most distant areas they were picked up 3 hours before departure and were taken from Kusadasi 4 hours before departure, now from nearby areas where by taxi 20 minutes to the airport, 3 hours is good luck. In recent years, instead of 3-4 minibuses on the transfer, they have been optimizing 1 bus and several areas and arrivals at 12-15 hotels.
On the Antalya coast, it is also common to visit shops along the way from the airport to the hotel (and back), also stolen time.
On the Antalya coast, it is also common to visit shops along the way from the airport to the hotel (and back), also stolen time.
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answered 5 years ago
12-15 hotels - this is already beyond good and evil, I sympathize with tourists (((. I worked back in 2004, Odeon had a limit - no more than 10 hotels.
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answered 5 years ago
Yes, I understand about the transfer schedule. But I had the same situation in Kyiv when flying to Antalya. I took a taxi to the airport (this is not a scheduled transfer). I flew with AZUR AIR UKRAINE. As for the departure, I contacted the company several times by phone (it was clear that the flight was being postponed). They insistently advised to arrive at the airport three hours before check-in (according to the schedule), although they already knew that the plane would not arrive in Kyiv from Antalya on schedule. As a result, I arrived by taxi at the airport in three hours, and there I was still waiting for the plane to arrive in Kyiv, while it was inspected, serviced, refueled ... a seven-hour delay. Next to me were women with children who arrived from other cities early in the morning. And they flew out at 19 minutes ...
One plane, like a shuttle, flies back and forth, and the passengers are marinated.
One plane, like a shuttle, flies back and forth, and the passengers are marinated.
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answered 5 years ago
I don’t know about charters at all what rights and obligations passengers have in terms of check-in deadlines for a late flight. But "persistently advising" and demanding are two different things, as I understand it.
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answered 5 years ago
Vika284 Here .. here, and I'm talking about the same In Turkey every year since 1996, I go to two regions (Marmaris and Antalya). I noticed that they pick up from the hotel very early (5 hours before - Kemer?). Benefit, of course. First of all... put everyone on the same bus, and push them out of the hotel early.
They have a constant connection with the airport ... through TO. When I was kicked out of the Golden Lotus in June, the receptionist called TO and it was already known that there was no plane in Antalya. But he needs time (a certain cycle of preparation for departure) and this time is determined by the framework of the standards.
Savings on everything ... at the expense of the tourist.
They have a constant connection with the airport ... through TO. When I was kicked out of the Golden Lotus in June, the receptionist called TO and it was already known that there was no plane in Antalya. But he needs time (a certain cycle of preparation for departure) and this time is determined by the framework of the standards.
Savings on everything ... at the expense of the tourist.
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answered 5 years ago
The mice cried, pricked themselves, but continued to eat the cactus. I suppose it is also beneficial for you to fly in packages, and not on your own, otherwise why have you been suffering so much since 1996?
You can refuse an organized transfer by arriving at the airport on your own at a convenient time.
You can refuse an organized transfer by arriving at the airport on your own at a convenient time.
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answered 5 years ago
He independently flew to Gagra in the USSR. Now I'm taking a package tour to Turkey or Egypt. I go for three weeks. Yes, the day is gone. But I always considered the day of arrival and the day of departure - one day. I take it for granted. I entered the discussion because I consider this situation, with transfers, already uncontrollable, passing reasonable limits and similar to an agreement.
"You can refuse an organized transfer ..." - the fact of the matter is that it does not work. I wrote the situation with the departure from Kyiv. I specifically called AZUR AIR UKRAINE to plan an hour for calling a taxi. They do not say that the plane is not and is not expected. The management set a schedule for them (this is already taking into account the transfer of the flight) and they say according to the rule "three hours" before this mark, but the fact that in an hour, and then in another hour there will be new departure hours, this already happens at the airport .. does not work .
Come on, why grind in a mortar. The tourist is not protected, he gave money for the tour and rejoice if they take you there and back. Unobtrusive service.
"You can refuse an organized transfer ..." - the fact of the matter is that it does not work. I wrote the situation with the departure from Kyiv. I specifically called AZUR AIR UKRAINE to plan an hour for calling a taxi. They do not say that the plane is not and is not expected. The management set a schedule for them (this is already taking into account the transfer of the flight) and they say according to the rule "three hours" before this mark, but the fact that in an hour, and then in another hour there will be new departure hours, this already happens at the airport .. does not work .
Come on, why grind in a mortar. The tourist is not protected, he gave money for the tour and rejoice if they take you there and back. Unobtrusive service.
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answered 5 years ago
What is one day, if the tour is from the tenth, and you get to the hotel on the 11th at 3.30 in the morning, and on the 17th at 7.30 you go to the airport?
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answered 5 years ago
But you were sent on the 10th (the plane took off on the 10th), which means that the obligations were fulfilled. Now, if the flight was on the 11th, then it would be possible to talk about something.
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answered 5 years ago
There's nothing you can do, they're right. Well, or a conspiracy, as someone is more pleasant to consider).
Personally, I'd rather fly on my own than bother with charters. On regular flights, at least sms are sent, if there is a delay, you can sleep an extra couple of hours at home)).
Personally, I'd rather fly on my own than bother with charters. On regular flights, at least sms are sent, if there is a delay, you can sleep an extra couple of hours at home)).
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answered 5 years ago
marinasimonova70 as for a hotel, the night from the 10th to the 11th just falls into your time, if you have paid for 7 nights, then you will be settled immediately, but as for the operator, if the tour starts on the 10th, then the tour and you must be Charmey 10th to 23:59
back 7:30 flight - C'est La Vie, this is a charter
back 7:30 flight - C'est La Vie, this is a charter
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answered 5 years ago
"... on the 17th at 7.30 you go to" - at 7:30 they push you to the airport. This is also understandable. For example, they would have to fly out on the 17th at 20:15 (an entry in the package tour ticket), but they pick up at 7:30, on the 17th. That is, on the same day of the 17th. But not at 20:15, but at 7:30. There are no violations here either, since there is a link to the transfer of the charter, which is allowed by the conditions of charter flights.
This is the Agreement between TO and Airlines.
This is the Agreement between TO and Airlines.
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answered 5 years ago
marinasimonova70
There is only one conclusion. Well, if you go on a "package tour", then go for 2..3 weeks, or even more. Then these losses (days of rest) will not be so upsetting. These days will be taken away from you, and maybe you will be lucky, but in relation to the total duration it will not be so noticeable.
Many fly for 6..7 days to Cuba, Thailand, Dominican Republic... there are always lost days due to time zones, even when everything is on schedule.
There is only one conclusion. Well, if you go on a "package tour", then go for 2..3 weeks, or even more. Then these losses (days of rest) will not be so upsetting. These days will be taken away from you, and maybe you will be lucky, but in relation to the total duration it will not be so noticeable.
Many fly for 6..7 days to Cuba, Thailand, Dominican Republic... there are always lost days due to time zones, even when everything is on schedule.
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answered 5 years ago
marinasimonova70 you are probably traveling for the first time
example, let's say 2 tourists booked only a hotel (without a flight) for 7 nights (hotels count nights) from October 10 to October 17
The first day/night of the hotel when it will check in these 2 tourists will start from 14:00 on October 10, and if these tourists bought plane tickets and for some reason arrived at the hotel already on October 11, 11:30 (before 12:00: 00) at almost noon, it will be the first day/night for the hotel anyway.
example, let's say 2 tourists booked only a hotel (without a flight) for 7 nights (hotels count nights) from October 10 to October 17
The first day/night of the hotel when it will check in these 2 tourists will start from 14:00 on October 10, and if these tourists bought plane tickets and for some reason arrived at the hotel already on October 11, 11:30 (before 12:00: 00) at almost noon, it will be the first day/night for the hotel anyway.
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answered 5 years ago
I don’t agree that it’s not necessary to fly for 7-8 days to Turkey and Egypt, but if it’s 7-8 days, then you need to choose an adequate tour operator, I met other tourists in Turkey, mostly young people, so they buy weekend tours for 3-4 nights , and are satisfied.
but I agree 100% "6..7 days to Cuba, Thailand, Dominican Republic" - got off the plane, swam in the ocean and left the ocean and back to the plane
but I agree 100% "6..7 days to Cuba, Thailand, Dominican Republic" - got off the plane, swam in the ocean and left the ocean and back to the plane
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answered 5 years ago
2 "Do nothing, they have the right. Well, or conspiracy, as someone is more pleasant to count).
Personally, it's better to fly on my own than to fool around with charters. On regular flights at least text messages are sent, if there is a delay, you can sleep an extra couple of hours at home)).
The fact is that some tour operators have a service of surcharge for a convenient departure, on a charter. The tourist pays for this service, but the flight is then postponed for a week a few days before X o'clock. At the same time, another flight is added to that flight, and the tourist is not transferred to it. This is not a force majeure plane crash, etc. The tour operator refers to the specific conditions of the charter (transfer of flights within 24 hours) of the airline. What else to call it but a conspiracy of a tour operator and a pocket airline. Total: paid for the service but did not receive it. IMHO is a scam and a watershed of pure water.
Personally, it's better to fly on my own than to fool around with charters. On regular flights at least text messages are sent, if there is a delay, you can sleep an extra couple of hours at home)).
The fact is that some tour operators have a service of surcharge for a convenient departure, on a charter. The tourist pays for this service, but the flight is then postponed for a week a few days before X o'clock. At the same time, another flight is added to that flight, and the tourist is not transferred to it. This is not a force majeure plane crash, etc. The tour operator refers to the specific conditions of the charter (transfer of flights within 24 hours) of the airline. What else to call it but a conspiracy of a tour operator and a pocket airline. Total: paid for the service but did not receive it. IMHO is a scam and a watershed of pure water.
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answered 5 years ago
Morkovkin, in a situation with a surcharge, I don’t argue, the travel agency obviously cannot guarantee this service, so it’s pure fraud.
But the author of the question did not pay extra, he basically complains about charters and their non-fixed schedule.
But the author of the question did not pay extra, he basically complains about charters and their non-fixed schedule.
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answered 5 years ago
Morkovkin on normal airlines that work on charter flights with TO also send sms, normal airlines warn in advance, but there are force majeure and good airlines on regular flights - this year my Lufthansa flight was delayed half an hour before departure, which sms will help if you already near the gate
I paid TO Anex several times for a convenient flight, one flight was rescheduled 3 hours later and the money was returned to me - everything is honest here, where is the "shahraystvo and swindle", yes, I was warned before paying for this service that if the flight was transferred, the money would be returned to me - where is the deception.
I paid TO Anex several times for a convenient flight, one flight was rescheduled 3 hours later and the money was returned to me - everything is honest here, where is the "shahraystvo and swindle", yes, I was warned before paying for this service that if the flight was transferred, the money would be returned to me - where is the deception.
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answered 5 years ago
Vika284
All these messages and paid services to the light bulb when it comes to a charter flight. I was warned (tour agent) that the flight was being postponed, they even said the time. Began to watch the on-line scoreboard of Boryspil. Yes, there is a new scheduled departure time (what the tour agent said). Arrived by this time (2 hours) by taxi to Boryspil. While I arrived at the airport, it turned out that the flight was already being postponed again (this is already the postponement of the new schedule) ... there is no plane, it has not yet arrived in Boryspil from Antalya. The charter situation is outrageous.
All these messages and paid services to the light bulb when it comes to a charter flight. I was warned (tour agent) that the flight was being postponed, they even said the time. Began to watch the on-line scoreboard of Boryspil. Yes, there is a new scheduled departure time (what the tour agent said). Arrived by this time (2 hours) by taxi to Boryspil. While I arrived at the airport, it turned out that the flight was already being postponed again (this is already the postponement of the new schedule) ... there is no plane, it has not yet arrived in Boryspil from Antalya. The charter situation is outrageous.
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answered 5 years ago
2 ollennka, I copied what I wrote the answer). In theory, paying extra for the service, the tourist also should not "bother " with the nuances of the transfer of flights, which should automatically be equated to a regular flight. The author of the topic in Q A is useless here).
2 Vika284, in your case fraud did not happen, and it's cool. I had another story: Join money without returning, shifting my payment for a convenient hour flight from night to evening of the same date, and instead of my night flight inserting another, citing the specifics of the charter. Then for another extra charge offered to transfer me to a "new " night flight. With the same "guarantees ". I corresponded for a long time and did not add anything to the rest. Probably here the essence is in the pocket, as in the case of Join 's, the airline or not.
P.S. 2 = two = to
2 Vika284, in your case fraud did not happen, and it's cool. I had another story: Join money without returning, shifting my payment for a convenient hour flight from night to evening of the same date, and instead of my night flight inserting another, citing the specifics of the charter. Then for another extra charge offered to transfer me to a "new " night flight. With the same "guarantees ". I corresponded for a long time and did not add anything to the rest. Probably here the essence is in the pocket, as in the case of Join 's, the airline or not.
P.S. 2 = two = to
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answered 5 years ago
Morkovkin, you still have a special case, I sympathize. Did you write a claim to the travel agency?
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answered 5 years ago
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Of course, the standard delay, and redirection of requests to the date of departure)
Of course, the standard delay, and redirection of requests to the date of departure)
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answered 5 years ago
Morkovkin is Join up, there is generally No comment or Profanity, everyone knows what kind of company this is, they write a lot and often about scandals related to this MOT, they make television reports, they create entire groups on social networks to sue this MOT and still buy they have tours. And this story with Join did not begin this or even last year.
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