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The question is very urgent. Child under 16 with a passport. UKRAINE Do you need a notarized permission from the father if the mother is flying with a child? Parents are divorced
The question is very urgent. Child under 16 with a passport. UKRAINE Do you need a notarized permission from the father if the mother is flying with a child? Parents are divorced
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аватар helena_fortuna
Has anyone flown recently?
I'm waiting for a response from those who have recently flown.
аватар oksanakiev
Definitely yes.
аватар AllOverTheWorld
"recently did not fly ", but as a lawyer I will say, if the child lives with his mother legally (there is a court decision or custody) and the mother wants to take him abroad on vacation for no more than 1 month, the permit is not required , but the father (in this case the mother), if she knows the place of residence of the father, must inform him in a letter of recommendation about the trip (dates, purpose, place)
Article 157 of the IC of Ukraine.
and in general, in favor of the mother herself to consult a notary, because the amendments were made recently.
аватар AllOverTheWorld
oksanakiev, what are you guided by?
аватар AllOverTheWorld
letter of recommendation
аватар karo555
Recently consulted with a notary. Permission is not needed if the father is a persistent non-payer of alimony and has not paid within six months. Only in this case, you will have to take a certificate from the executive service. In all other cases, permission is required.
аватар AllOverTheWorld
if the 2nd parent does not pay child support for more than 4 months, then you can take the child out for more than 1 month without permission
аватар helena_fortuna
Thanks a lot for the replies.
Mom is already doing a notarization.
аватар AllOverTheWorld
but because the amendments are "raw", no one knows how things will go, because few people read the laws, comments and amendments.
see Article 157 of the Family Code of Ukraine in the latest edition
аватар karo555
only in this case it is necessary to take a certificate from the executive service stating that the second parent does not pay. And the executive service checks everything for a long time. Plus, child support must be ordered by the court. But not everyone gets alimony after a divorce. It's not enough to just be divorced.
аватар moy_contakt
My eldest could not travel with us due to the fact that her dad, respectively, my ex-husband, did not want to give such permission. And I couldn't prove anything to anyone. And as soon as she turned 16, for the first time she flew with us on vacation. This is what such “daddies” are guided by, because money is not required from him, and I myself would pay for the document ... Now they seem to have given options for loopholes, but alas, not everything is so simple.
аватар annna2
Under 16 years of age, permission is required
аватар AllOverTheWorld
read my first post and the article of the law itself more carefully, even if one of the parents is not a debtor, you can still not take permission.
and for your information, even if you have not filed for alimony, and even if the second parent is deprived of parental rights, he must pay a priori, even if you sue in 5-10 years ....
аватар AllOverTheWorld
my_contact comments and edits were made only in the summer of 2018!
for everyone for the 3rd time, article 157 of the family code of Ukraine
аватар karo555
That's interesting, and how much should he pay a priori? Without a court decision, no one owes anything to anyone. As if the moral side does not count. But if there is no paper, then no one should. And permission must be taken. A girl with a child later at the airport will not prove in any way that "the amendments are raw and the law is under development, but it exists"
аватар AllOverTheWorld
karo555 what claims to me? I don't write laws. do you think it is not necessary to refer to the laws at all?
but how much the court should decide, and under the new legislation, even a written refusal of one of the parents from alimony does not matter! everything else is up to the court. Even if (suppose the father) does not have an official and permanent job, he must! Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
yes, in our country it is not easy to understand jurisprudence, but one must defend one's rights!
аватар Olgaolga153
moy_contakt ___ "That's what such" "fathers" are guided by, because money is not required from him, and I would pay for the document myself."
Yes, such "dads" do not need children for a hundred years, they do not even think about them. To annoy their ex-wife is the greatest joy.
аватар kazkova
A counter question to those who know: do you need any permits from your father AFTER 16 years if the parents are divorced?
аватар AllOverTheWorld
kazkova, no! (except for a document allowing travel abroad (passport, id)
and advice to mothers who have not traveling fathers, take away their rights, so that in the future they would not demand child support from your children!
аватар karo555
AllOverTheWorld Well, you referred, for example, to the law that parents are required to support their children, and daddy will blow you. Because it is not necessary to confuse warm with soft. By law, both parents must provide for children in equal shares. And when it comes down to it, the mother pulls everything on herself. Daddy has a minimal income. In fact, if it was not possible to agree on maintenance in a peaceful way, then only through alimony. What are you talking about, who will give what to whom without papers, on what grounds? Woe-dads after a divorce don’t think about children at all, they should annoy their ex-wife more, well, at least that way. I was going to fly with a child 2 weeks ago - I went for permission to leave. I was even interested in the executive service. Yes, there are amendments, but they are not working yet. While not working - get permission. And it's good that the ex-husband is adequate. And so thousands of women cannot go on vacation with their children, and the children cannot go to competitions or tours.
аватар AllOverTheWorld
karo555 I don't want to flood, this is not a legal forum,
all that you wrote is lyrics, and where did you see that I said that someone would give something to someone without papers? At the moment, the courts are not equal to the minimum wage, moreover, there are penalties, the main thing is to deal with this issue.
there are also thousands of women who manipulate children to annoy their ex-husband. There are women who are comfortable being the victim. The stick has 2 ends, and most often both are to blame, but for some reason the children suffer, because mom and dad want to annoy each other ...
Happy travels and all the best....
аватар solt07
Definitely, YES.
аватар solt07
Do not forget to take the original birth certificates, marriage certificates
аватар AllOverTheWorld
solt07, what marriage certificate?
аватар helena_fortuna
In about 40 minutes, I will write to you exactly: what is required in Boryspil.
I asked to go through control, only according to passports.
And show the rest of the documents after they ask.
аватар helena_fortuna
AllOverTheWorld You wrote correctly about the new amendments.
But, as I understand it, until 150 official clarifications are released, everything will be the same.
I will definitely write.
аватар AllOverTheWorld
simply, according to the law, the mother must have a confirming document that the permanent place of residence of the child is legally assigned to the mother ...
but still interesting
Of course, I would also ask when passing control how they explained to the checkpoint how to interpret Article 157 ....
аватар helena_fortuna
So :
Boryspil requires, in addition to biometric passports:
1) birth certificates
2) notarized permission from the second parent,
3) In this notarial statement, you need to add that my mother had a different surname.
//So solt07 , """""Don't forget to take the original birth certificates, marriage certificates""""" true truth!//
Checked, today on flight PS 5673
аватар helena_fortuna
In fairness, I will write that paragraph 3 was not fulfilled.
And for 20 minutes they questioned the child and mother in separate rooms
But, everything is already - ok!
аватар AllOverTheWorld
More precisely, it was necessary to take the certificate of divorce?
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