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We're going to visit. Is it possible to take a Kyiv cake with you in Kazakhstan? Or won't they miss it? The option to buy in duty free is not suitable - we have a small shop and do not sell cakes (I asked specifically)
We're going to visit. Is it possible to take a Kyiv cake with you in Kazakhstan? Or won't they miss it? The option to buy in duty free is not suitable - we have a small shop and do not sell cakes (I asked specifically)
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We carried cakes in hand luggage on Wizz Air with no problems. Here the question is, will there be any questions for you at the entrance to Germany (?). Europe does not really like it when food is brought to them from the USSR. Therefore, the cake is not in hand, but in a carry-on suitcase.
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Somehow a friend very strongly asked me to bring her a Kyiv cake (she lives in Batumi). Honestly, I agreed, and then I really regretted it, but in the end .... In my hands, the cake is cream, which means that he needs a temperature regime. The flight was also delayed for an hour .. I'm with this cake, as with the one you wrote off. Oh, and I studied with him. Upon arrival, of course, I was met, but already at that stage I had a desire to throw away the cake, so that nothing would come of it. Advice, bring chocolate, nothing will definitely happen to it and it definitely will not go bad. And yet they threw out the Kyiv one, they did not take risks.
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Well, in vain that they threw it away. How many of these cakes shuttles transported by train to Moscow in the 90s and no one was poisoned. My mother also took relatives to Moscow last year, everything is ok. It takes much longer to take it by train than to Germany or Batumi by plane. You think there is natural cream in the cream, yeah, right now, there are a lot of chemicals and preservatives. Especially if the cake is dry.
The author, take it without problems, it will not deteriorate.
The author, take it without problems, it will not deteriorate.
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Kyiv cake does not contain "chemicals and preservatives". It does not deteriorate because it is made that way - dry, there is almost no water.
So take it easy.
So take it easy.
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What does it mean that it doesn’t deteriorate ... The cakes themselves are of course dry (bizet base), but the cream inside, on top, on the sides, and in the original cream is oily and has temperature restrictions during storage, there are also nuts that are in a certain environment (if they only in dry cakes, then ok), but if they are in the Kremlin, then the same period and storage conditions should be otherwise, the shelf life is reduced. The total shelf life of such a cake from the moment of its manufacture is 72 hours, those 3 days at t 6+/-2 degrees. Otherwise, it must be eaten within a day.
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2 hours flight + 2 hours at the airport - theoretically should not go bad. especially since we are going in February - there will be no heat on the way to / from the airport.
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my_contact, that's what it means. I wrote above that they took the cake to Moscow on the train, in the heat, all night, Karl! at the same time, they carried him to the car not in the refrigerator, and from the car in Moscow he fumbled for half a day in the car and nothing happened to him! We ate and no one, sorry, not both. fucked up. So you understand?
What you wrote about the thermal regime is super, but the factory takes into account the fact that the cake will not always be stored correctly if they deteriorate, all the time, since not all buyers observe the thermal regime, no one would buy them at Kievsky station and did not carry to distant lands.
Author, do not listen to alarmists and smart people, I tell you from personal experience that nothing will happen to your cake during the flight.
What you wrote about the thermal regime is super, but the factory takes into account the fact that the cake will not always be stored correctly if they deteriorate, all the time, since not all buyers observe the thermal regime, no one would buy them at Kievsky station and did not carry to distant lands.
Author, do not listen to alarmists and smart people, I tell you from personal experience that nothing will happen to your cake during the flight.
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Take two, only "Roshen"! On the plane, they will not have time to deteriorate, the flowers may "wither" slightly.
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zolyshka111 I'm very glad that you didn't get hurt after eating such a cake, I'm very glad. But I, unlike you, take care of my health, so it’s important for me not to eat any crap, I follow the rules and shelf life of food, that’s the kind of person I am. The same applies to a member of my family, well, my friends are the same, so the decision to dispose of the cake was made (it was spring, it was warm enough and we did not risk the health of not only our own, but also those who wanted to please a branded cake) .
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You are generally very categorical, so to speak. I don't even know how you spend your holidays in Asia, probably in a chemical suit and with a bunch of vaccinations, but it's your personal business. It is very difficult to discuss with you in general, especially your categorical opinions and conclusions. On what basis did your megabrain release information that I do not monitor my health? Although okay, you may not answer, the discussion with you is over, no further interest.
I hope the author will make the right decision.
I hope the author will make the right decision.
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By the way, the author generally asked if it was possible to have a cake in the Republic of Kazakhstan, but Friends in a skirt decided to be smart)))
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In this particular discussion, you specifically tell a person that a product consisting of 30% cream is very normal to carry as you like at any temperature and guarantee that everything will work out. Based on this, I conclude that this is not important for you, but these things are directly related to our health. We are what we eat. I wouldn't take that kind of responsibility. Okay, there for yourself, YOUR children (they are yours and you are responsible for them), but for other people .... this is responsible. Well, at the expense of visiting many countries, including exotic ones, I have never poisoned myself there, well, apparently due to the fact that I carefully look at what I eat, what I eat from, and even the necks of the terrible GOA on the ocean, but no less in the kitchen itself, everything is clean and normal, as for India. In other countries, it’s the same, sometimes it’s cleaner there than in some of our eateries. Yes, I look at who, how and where he cooks - this is important for me and I do without spacesuits and without vaccinations, I go to places where they are not a mandatory component.
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Do you ask the staff in cafes in India for information? And then everything happens exotic and non-exotic diseases)))
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It is useless to ask docks anywhere at all, and even more so in India. Yes, roulette. But only the seafood brought by the fishermen and washed with me, sprinkled with spices and sent to the oven (this is, if specifically in GOA), as it were, minimized the risks. in Thailand, China, Sri Lanka, they ate in more civilized places, but again, the dignity of the books that they buy from us, (only we do flurka in real life, although my employees also pass AIDS, hepatitis and venereology without fail - this my personal point). But, here's the thing. I control as much as I can.
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What if AIDS / hepatitis / syphilis honestly brings you tests? What can you control? lol
Passing tests and bringing a piece of paper with a seal are two different things.
I wonder if one of your employees brings you a certificate that he has AIDS, will you fire him?
Passing tests and bringing a piece of paper with a seal are two different things.
I wonder if one of your employees brings you a certificate that he has AIDS, will you fire him?
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Vika284, I have an agreement with a clinic where every half a year everything is mandatory, everything is handed over, so there is control. Well, at the expense of AIDS, alas, there are areas where people with such a disease are not allowed to work, the rules were not invented by me.
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moy_contakt no clinic will disclose any test results to an outsider, even if you have personally entered into an agreement for the service of your employees. This is an illusion to calm the nerves that you are in control of something.
Criminal liability for the disclosure of tests and diagnoses, like the rules, was not invented by you, but for you and private and public clinics
Criminal liability for the disclosure of tests and diagnoses, like the rules, was not invented by you, but for you and private and public clinics
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Why would the clinic disclose anything? The employee must bring a piece of paper with the results from this clinic. No commercial clinic will "paint" negative results for infectious diseases.
I know perfectly well what I'm talking about, my nephew is a sushi chef in a popular Kiev restaurant. Once the clinic sowed banal staphylococcus aureus from employees. Suspended, treated, re-analysis - forward to the kitchen. And nothing else.
I know perfectly well what I'm talking about, my nephew is a sushi chef in a popular Kiev restaurant. Once the clinic sowed banal staphylococcus aureus from employees. Suspended, treated, re-analysis - forward to the kitchen. And nothing else.
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zolyshka111, but what kind of tone, in general? Follow the speech, please. We do not offend each other on Turpravda, even if we disagree.
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Vika284 let's not discuss here what you don't understand, maybe for a long time to explain what is an illusion and what is not. The topic was about cakes, but we got to the discussion of AIDS ...))) Happy holidays to all!
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moy_contakt in the question on which you are sure that controls I understand
And you can always buy a piece of paper as well as a sanitary book and even hire a person who will pass the tests for you
And you can always buy a piece of paper as well as a sanitary book and even hire a person who will pass the tests for you
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Pachok, tone, like tone, such tones often happen here, wow. And where did you see insults in my words?)))
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zolyshka111 I didn’t focus on your tone and phrases addressed to me, from previous communications with you specifically, I see that in your case this does not make sense, and even more so if a person still does not realize this, then this is the norm for you apparently. It’s easier for me sometimes not to notice than to try to wet into every puddle.
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My tone is equal to your arrogance. I do not like people who put their opinion above others and consider it the only true one. Well, that's the kind of person I am (embarrassed emoticon). I will try not to answer you in the future, but I do not promise))))
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"We do not insult each other on Turpravda, even if we disagree." - except that this is a wish for this year
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What can you talk about with a person who gives advice based on his own experience, I quote “they took the cake to Moscow on the train, in the heat, all night, Karl! while it was not carried to the car in the refrigerator and from the car in Moscow it took half a day in the car and nothing it didn’t happen to him! They ate it and no one, sorry, didn’t fuck up. "What can I say, it's good that it ends well, but not always and not everyone is so lucky. Perhaps your stomach, accustomed to such an extreme, safely endured this experience, but not everyone has such stomachs. But I think that the author of the question will read everything written and make his own decision.
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Girls, don't argue. You are lucky to have a specialist among you :)
In general, the shelf life of the product has nothing to do with the possibility of poisoning.
Shelf life is the period during which the manufacturer guarantees the constant organoleptic properties of the product. That is. a cake that has lain for 71 hours must have the same appearance, taste, crunchiness, cream hardness, etc., as a cake made 1 hour ago.
The practical meaning of the expiration date is that the consumer always consumes the SAME product. Poisoning is usually useless here. Sometimes, if there is a suitable environment for the development of pathogenic flora (water + protein as, for example, in raw milk, meat), the shelf life of gray products is determined by the development of pathogens, but this is not the case with CT.
In dry products, such as Kiev cake, there is no environment for the development of bacteria, so the risk of poisoning when stored out of the refrigerator for 1 day is NOT.
In general, the shelf life of the product has nothing to do with the possibility of poisoning.
Shelf life is the period during which the manufacturer guarantees the constant organoleptic properties of the product. That is. a cake that has lain for 71 hours must have the same appearance, taste, crunchiness, cream hardness, etc., as a cake made 1 hour ago.
The practical meaning of the expiration date is that the consumer always consumes the SAME product. Poisoning is usually useless here. Sometimes, if there is a suitable environment for the development of pathogenic flora (water + protein as, for example, in raw milk, meat), the shelf life of gray products is determined by the development of pathogens, but this is not the case with CT.
In dry products, such as Kiev cake, there is no environment for the development of bacteria, so the risk of poisoning when stored out of the refrigerator for 1 day is NOT.
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Hooray!!! Voooot, and I said that in vain the cake was thrown away in Batumi. And they also cursed me and accused me of insults (emoticon with tears in my eyes)
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Author, can you at least say a few words to connoisseurs and Friends in a skirt, what did you decide?))))
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